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I've thought it would be intersting to hear people from countries like Russia, China or this "kind of country" to see what they think about NATO ? What do they think about western countries, do they think we misjudge their country ? @yurashic @fei123456 @deleted_user5
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I've done a paper about Finland, Russia & NATO. Highlights:

"Petrov claims that this group (talking about Eastern Europe+Baltic states) wants NATO to serve “the only goal” which means containing and deterring Russia."

"Voronkov claims that NATO supporters of Finland have started propaganda campaign with the help of other states to frighten Finnish population about Russian’s aggressive action. "

"Petrov and Nikitin accuse NATO of aggression towards Russia"

But tbh these researchers are probably funded by Putin and not what normal people think.
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putin is honest and kind blyat
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NATO isnt the kind and peaceful organization it pretends to be, and unfortunately many in the West easily believe it is, its that simple.
As for Russia and their responses, well, ofc thats not allways good either. But consider for example, how would YOU feel if there was an agreement with another part of the world to keep their distance, dont expand military operations, bases and influence closer to you, and then it turns out they are doing the opposite. Ofc you respond to that as well.
Russia and USA both do good things, both do bad things. Its just that your media will provide you with more positive info about the side you live in and negative info about the other side.

Please dont tag Breeze in such a convo, he probably even thinks that Erdogan is a good guy
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He does think erdogan is a good guy yeah.
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Veni_Vidi_Vici_W wrote:NATO isnt the kind and peaceful organization it pretends to be, and unfortunately many in the West easily believe it is, its that simple.
As for Russia and their responses. Well, ofc its not all good. But for example, how would YOU feel if there was an agreement with another part of the world to keep their distance, dont expand military operations and bases closer to you, and then it turns out they are doing the opposite.

Please dont tag Breeze in such a convo, he probably even thinks that Erdogan is a good guy

ye NATO should have stayed out of the east. It was arrogant to believe that you could just swallow former russian territory and they would do nothing.
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fei123456 wrote:P90 rush B cyka blyat!


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Trump's innovation is becoming a hot scenario for us than anything else currently. Well imo, things like European Union and NATO are definitely making Europe more safer and comfortable place to live, Of course NATO doesn't seem to involve in peace management as their primary target. Russia seems to be lonely, but they really help to develop most of the Asian countries. Though, Russia is under a bad situation all the time. Tbh, Their politics is total trashcan, Well, Indian politics is actually worser than that. :biggrin:
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lordraphael wrote:ye NATO should have stayed out of the east. It was arrogant to believe that you could just swallow former russian territory and they would do nothing.

Which former Russian territory has NATO swallowed?
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Veni_Vidi_Vici_W wrote:NATO isnt the kind and peaceful organization it pretends to be, and unfortunately many in the West easily believe it is, its that simple.

So, is it NATO's fault that many people mistake it for Mother Theresa?

how would YOU feel if there was an agreement with another part of the world to keep their distance, dont expand military operations, bases and influence closer to you, and then it turns out they are doing the opposite.

Where did you get that from? There was no such agreement.

When it comes to politics, lots of people just play it by ear, rather than looking at facts.
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as long as russia is led by criminals NATO is essential for europe.
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j_t_kirk wrote:
princeofkabul wrote:as long as russia is led by criminals NATO is essential for europe.


Yes. Russia is bad and evil. Putin wants to kill us and he wants to conquer europe. :roll:


I mean, the Russian government is basically a very organized mafia

But what government isn't
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kami_ryu wrote:NATO is a military alliance, there's no way anyone should consider that as peaceful.

EU could be considered peaceful. The UN could be considered peaceful. NATO? It's a military alliance.

However probably one which is needed considering the balance of power in the world. China will think twice (South China sea conflict), Russia will think twice (annexation of Crimea), etc. We live in peaceful times however there is a reason for that. There's also reason to believe that such peace won't be maintained forever. Hopefully it will though, I think that the internet which allows people from different countries to talk to each other directly will have a positive impact on the world.


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vardar wrote:
kami_ryu wrote:NATO is a military alliance, there's no way anyone should consider that as peaceful.

EU could be considered peaceful. The UN could be considered peaceful. NATO? It's a military alliance.

However probably one which is needed considering the balance of power in the world. China will think twice (South China sea conflict), Russia will think twice (annexation of Crimea), etc. We live in peaceful times however there is a reason for that. There's also reason to believe that such peace won't be maintained forever. Hopefully it will though, I think that the internet which allows people from different countries to talk to each other directly will have a positive impact on the world.


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I called Erdogan ally of terrorists once, and Breeze went mad and started insulting me...poor guy.
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Dolan wrote:
lordraphael wrote:ye NATO should have stayed out of the east. It was arrogant to believe that you could just swallow former russian territory and they would do nothing.

Which former Russian territory has NATO swallowed?

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Go figure it out yourself dont bullshit around and tell me that those nations were independent during the cold war. They were essentially russian territory. It may not be right what russia does and how it acts but it surely shouldnt surprise anyone and the NATO should have expected this behaviour.
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yoqpasa wrote:I called Erdogan ally of terrorists once, and Breeze went mad and started insulting me...poor guy.

He attacks the enemys of the IS. :hmm:
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lordraphael wrote:Go figure it out yourself dont bullshit around and tell me that those nations were independent during the cold war. They were essentially russian territory.

You should familiarise yourself first with the history of those countries before making such blanket statements. If you did, you would have known that, for example, while Romania was part of the Communist bloc of states before 1989, the regime's policies were not aligned to those of the USSR. That's why Romania had good relations with the USA and was awarded the most favored nation status by the US in 1975. Romania was also one of the first states to condemn the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968. Ceausescu, who was the president of Communist Romania at that time, criticised and berated Soviet Russia for invading a sovereign state. Do you think Russians could have just walked into any country they wanted and started ordering people around, as if they were on their own territory? Reality couldn't be further from what you believe.

It may not be right what russia does and how it acts but it surely shouldnt surprise anyone and the NATO should have expected this behaviour.

Which behaviour? Invading a sovereign state (Ukraine) again (after Czechoslovakia)? When did NATO invade a sovereign state and annex it?

If you ask me which side I would pick, I'd rather support a side which doesn't have an authoritarian/dictatorial rule like Russia, where a clan of oligarchs own the country and which has a history of territorial annexations and blunt interventions in another sovereign state's affairs.

But what do you know? You lived all your life safe in Germany, away from conflicts, away from Communist destruction (which is not only a question of low living standards and material comfort, but also of deformed mentalities and fucked up lives, people thrown into prison just for telling a joke about the party and so on and so forth).

Spoiled Westerner lecturing us how Russia is right because if they fucked up Eastern Europe before, they have an eternal right to this part of the world. You know what, you can fuck off of NATO if you don't like it or if you Westerners got so pussified that you don't even know your own good. Your army is actually smaller than Romania's army effectives, even though your population is like more than 4 times bigger. This shows your level of interest in contributing to security in Europe. 'Let's just use our money to make ourselves richer and let Uncle Sam pay for our defence'.

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Dolan wrote:
lordraphael wrote:Go figure it out yourself dont bullshit around and tell me that those nations were independent during the cold war. They were essentially russian territory.

You should familiarise yourself first with the history of those countries before making such blanket statements. If you did, you would have known that, for example, while Romania was part of the Communist bloc of states before 1989, the regime's policies were not aligned to those of the USSR. That's why Romania had good relations with the USA and was awarded the most favored nation status by the US in 1975. Romania was also one of the first states to condemn the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968. Ceausescu, who was the president of Communist Romania at that time, criticised and berated Soviet Russia for invading a sovereign state. Do you think Russians could have just walked into any country they wanted and started ordering people around, as if they were on their own territory? Reality couldn't be further from what you believe.

It may not be right what russia does and how it acts but it surely shouldnt surprise anyone and the NATO should have expected this behaviour.

Which behaviour? Invading a sovereign state (Ukraine) again (after Czechoslovakia)? When did NATO invade a sovereign state and annex it?

If you ask me which side I would pick, I'd rather support a side which doesn't have an authoritarian/dictatorial rule like Russia, where a clan of oligarchs own the country and which has a history of territorial annexations and blunt interventions in another sovereign state's affairs.

But what do you know? You lived all your life safe in Germany, away from conflicts, away from Communist destruction (which is not only a question of low living standards and material comfort, but also of deformed mentalities and fucked up lives, people thrown into prison just for telling a joke about the party and so on and so forth).

Spoiled Westerner lecturing us how Russia is right because if they fucked up Eastern Europe before, they have an eternal right to this part of the world. You know what, you can fuck off of NATO if you don't like it or if you Westerners got so pussified that you don't even know your own good. Your army is actually smaller than Romania's army effectives, even though your population is like more than 4 times bigger. This shows your level of interest in contributing to security in Europe. 'Let's just use our money to make ourselves richer and let Uncle Sam pay for our defence'.

When are Germans going to grow some balls this century?


I second most parts you point out. I would just like to add my opinion in that Germany currently uses a very different idea of global politics than the US/Russia/China do and did in the past. While these countries heavily rely on 'hard power', e.g. their military power or a hard-line on regional policy, Germany cannot do so as all close neighbors play in the same team (EU...). It is much more beneficial for Germany to play its cards in the EU framework and get international significance in this way than to do so by wielding a large army (USA/Russia/China), intimidating its neighbors (China/Russia) or invading countries (Russia/USA). Furthermore, the EU (as well as, partially, G20 and other international political frameworks) is rather close to Germany's current and historical (see HRE) concept for politics: federalism and lots of negotiations on multiple levels, leading to small incremental changes. This is exactly where Germany's current strength is. Unfortunately, the public does not cheer incremental changes, but expects giant leaps forward - which is, in fact, rather stupid.
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Dolan wrote:
lordraphael wrote:Go figure it out yourself dont bullshit around and tell me that those nations were independent during the cold war. They were essentially russian territory.

You should familiarise yourself first with the history of those countries before making such blanket statements. If you did, you would have known that, for example, while Romania was part of the Communist bloc of states before 1989, the regime's policies were not aligned to those of the USSR. That's why Romania had good relations with the USA and was awarded the most favored nation status by the US in 1975. Romania was also one of the first states to condemn the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968. Ceausescu, who was the president of Communist Romania at that time, criticised and berated Soviet Russia for invading a sovereign state. Do you think Russians could have just walked into any country they wanted and started ordering people around, as if they were on their own territory? Reality couldn't be further from what you believe.

Truth is, no one could care less about Romania's policies during this period, or any period for that matter.
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vardar wrote:
kami_ryu wrote:NATO is a military alliance, there's no way anyone should consider that as peaceful.

EU could be considered peaceful. The UN could be considered peaceful. NATO? It's a military alliance.

However probably one which is needed considering the balance of power in the world. China will think twice (South China sea conflict), Russia will think twice (annexation of Crimea), etc. We live in peaceful times however there is a reason for that. There's also reason to believe that such peace won't be maintained forever. Hopefully it will though, I think that the internet which allows people from different countries to talk to each other directly will have a positive impact on the world.


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Haha, I literally wanted to post the same Einstein quote reading this thread. :)

Answering Rikikipu's question, honestly most people don't care. Everyone wants peace.

I read news in english time to time and I'd say that news from both sides are equally retarded.
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Laurence Drake wrote:Truth is, no one could care less about Romania's policies during this period, or any period for that matter.

It's easy for you to say that, when you lived on a island, instead of having lived at the crossroads between two expansive empires (Ottoman and Russian) and the rest of Europe. All this while, fighting to defend and keep your territory in the face of countless invasions. You know what they were trying to conquer, all those Eastern empires? Surely not our medium-sized country that was mostly covered by thick forests (especially in the South), they were interested in reaching Western Europe. So all those centuries you enjoyed your comfy tea with crumpets in the West, we had been fighting to defend the gate to Europe.

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