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Political Standing

Poll ended at 04 Dec 2017, 19:08

Far-Left Communist/ Anti-Fascist/ Anarchist
2
4%
Far-Left Socialist
4
7%
Left-Wing Liberal
14
25%
Liberal Moderate
5
9%
Right-Wing Moderate
13
24%
Far-Right Alt-Lite
5
9%
Alt-Right/ White Supremacist/ Anti-Communist
3
5%
Other (Comment)
3
5%
Other (No Comment)
6
11%
 
Total votes: 55

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Where do you stand politically?

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The poll is as neutral as possible.

I identify as an Anti-Fascist Anarcho-Communist Libertarian.

I'm curious if there's any revolutionaries here like myself. :hmm:

...At long as they're not right-wing :cry:

Apologies if this is a repost. Couldn't find anything like this before! :P
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What's with the top option??
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sir, you and me do stand on different sides of the perspective.
heres a flower anyway :flowers:
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dietschlander wrote:sir, you and me do stand on different sides of the perspective.
heres a flower anyway :flowers:


Sargon of Akkad and Shoe0nhead aren't making a reich anytime soon :hmm:

I accept your flower. :flowers:
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I'm sorry, but I googled above persons, results:
- the first one; very interesting, i'm interested in history and like to study about this ruler.
- second one, kindly provide a little bit of info, I stopped watching her mainpage youtube vid at 5 secs because the girl told me she's a boy
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Anyway, nuancing isn't your forte, so I'll agree with you like I would with a 8 year old: violence is bad, don't do hard drugs and stay in school Benj98
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this is a bad thread since the perception of left and right has so many flaws and varies from country to country

my heavenly powers detect a high cancer potential in here
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I identify as an Anti-Sophist Kimono-Allergist Propeller Hat.
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I'm a very confusing sort of Democratic Socialist sort of Libertarian.
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@Kommander- the original Iron Front anti-fascist league had a flag with three arrows on it. These stood for monarchy, fascism and communism- that's right the anti-fascists were also anti-communist. They fought the brown shirts and the red shirts but ultimately people got so fed up of them that they went for Nazism- there is a lesson here to be learnt for todays 'antifascists'- get a grip young men.
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I would vote for the green party. This means generally left I guess, but I also get annoyed with conservative tendencies of the left (to much union power etc.).

Though I think the nicest is left and right working together. We have a couple of examples of that in Belgium and it can work really well. Neither left nor right has the answer to all problems so the most important is to see 'what works', loose from conviction.

A study was made in Holland I think, they gave goverment officials documents from hospitals (how good they are, income, expenses, etc.) and asked them to jugde them. Politicians from all sides came to the same conclusion. Then they did the same test and told officials 'this hospital is private, this hospital is public' and asked to jugde them. The more right wing politicians where more positive about the private hospitals (irrespective of there statistics) and left wing the same about public.

So what I'm trying to say is that ideology can get in the way of what is good in a certain situation.

As said, I'm more left, I guess. That doesn't mean that sometimes I don't agree 'right' sollutions can be needed.
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I support a progressive income tax targeted at the wealthiest individuals with smart, ample social programs and government expenditure for the benefit of the people in preparation for a largely automated future, regulations and proper incentives for climate change mitigation without impeding greatly on agricultural/industry output (note - not strictly profits), and resources to allow straight-forward citizenship so we can get more of that sweet tax dough.

A single-payer health care system has way more pros than cons and saves lives. Access to more affordable and/or free community college is not difficult to achieve. Lower powerball odds and raise the jackpot to increase state lottery revenue. Increase women's health services and access to contraceptives and STD clinics; it's been shown to greatly reduce the amount of unwanted teen pregnancies.

International trade is good, mkay? Less restrictions on that. Perhaps too idealistic. Legalize weed for no other reason than to spread out all the pot-heads from congregating in just Colorado and Washington. Consider a ban on cringey marijuana-themed apparel.

Racism, sexism, prejudice, and all around bigotry is frowned upon. We don't have to go full PC here but a little acknowledgement about how ass-backwards social attitudes have been in the past and how much room there is for improvement would be nice. Please, focus less on race and more on the socioeconomic disparities in communities.

Having a strong, global militaristic presence is good.

I think that's where I stand.
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@deleted_user4 I agree with most of what you wrote, but wanted to comment on a couple of the points you made.

International trade is good, mkay? Less restrictions on that.

Free trade has gutted the American working class. If we don't protect at least some parts of our economy from an influx of cheap shit, we will be left with white collar and service jobs, with nothing in between.

Perhaps too idealistic. Legalize weed for no other reason than to spread out all the pot-heads from congregating in just Colorado and Washington.

I think pot should be treated like tobacco. Legalize it, and tax it heavily to discourage its use. Viciously pursue illegal vendors.


Having a strong, global militaristic presence is good.

Just no. War "everywhere all the time" is bad for America and the world. It costs a lot and destabilizes everything. Furthermore, the other initiatives you are pushing for aren't possible if we are spending $700 billion on our military.
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@Papist said:
Just no. War "everywhere all the time" is bad for America and the world. It costs a lot and destabilizes everything. Furthermore, the other initiatives you are pushing for aren't possible if we are spending $700 billion on our military.


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I align with the current UK conservatives so theres that.
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I don't like boxes and labels. For me, it depends on the context of the situation - good old subjectivity. In the US, I would probably be described as some sort of weird blend of liberal/anarchist/conservative, thus I chose "other". I've been called a liberal by conservatives, and conservative by liberals, but I really like the idea of anarchy, so I don't really know how to label myself. I would think that the majority of people wouldn't really fit into any sort of box, but would also be a blend. To me, extremism of any kind limits individual freedom. Even anarchy limits freedom because where does one's freedom overlap/overtake another's?

I follow a simple rule in life: Do whatever makes you happy as long as the intent is to not harm others.

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deleted_user wrote:I support a progressive income tax targeted at the wealthiest individuals with smart, ample social programs and government expenditure for the benefit of the people in preparation for a largely automated future, regulations and proper incentives for climate change mitigation without impeding greatly on agricultural/industry output (note - not strictly profits), and resources to allow straight-forward citizenship so we can get more of that sweet tax dough.


Agreed. I get all these surveys from the GOP and they are always targeting less tax brackets. I think there should be NO tax brackets and the tax you pay should scale on a strict formula. Makes it much simpler and doesn't discourage people from doing shady things to avoid moving brackets.

A single-payer health care system has way more pros than cons and saves lives. Access to more affordable and/or free community college is not difficult to achieve. Lower powerball odds and raise the jackpot to increase state lottery revenue. Increase women's health services and access to contraceptives and STD clinics; it's been shown to greatly reduce the amount of unwanted teen pregnancies.

Amen.

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Free trade has gutted the American working class. If we don't protect at least some parts of our economy from an influx of cheap shit, we will be left with white collar and service jobs, with nothing in between.

While the effects of this seem like a big factor, the working middle class was gutted for many reasons other than this. The middle class was already on a precipitous decline prior to NAFTA. NAFTA is far from perfect but takes much more heat than it should. Bigger factors are tax policy and other policies that have forced wealth growth to the top 1%. There is certainly things to be said about enforcing the trade deals however, we don't do a good enough job at it (mainly because many administrations are afraid to attack big business interests).

I think pot should be treated like tobacco. Legalize it, and tax it heavily to discourage its use. Viciously pursue illegal vendors.

100% agreed.

Just no. War "everywhere all the time" is bad for America and the world. It costs a lot and destabilizes everything. Furthermore, the other initiatives you are pushing for aren't possible if we are spending $700 billion on our military.
I think there's a difference between war, everywhere and all the time and having a presence. We can strategically help stabilize problem areas with by being there and being engaged, generally this should help avoid catastrophes later in time.
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XeeleeFlower wrote:I don't like boxes and labels. For me, it depends on the context of the situation - good old subjectivity. In the US, I would probably be described as some sort of weird blend of liberal/anarchist/conservative, thus I chose "other". I've been called a liberal by conservatives, and conservative by liberals, but I really like the idea of anarchy, so I don't really know how to label myself. I would think that the majority of people wouldn't really fit into any sort of box, but would also be a blend. To me, extremism of any kind limits individual freedom. Even anarchy limits freedom because where does one's freedom overlap/overtake another's?

I follow a simple rule in life: Do whatever makes you happy as long as the intent is to not harm others.

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What do you mean by anarchy? When I think of anarchy I think of post apocalyptic The Walking Dead worlds, where everybody is for themselves.
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XeeleeFlower wrote:I don't like boxes and labels. For me, it depends on the context of the situation - good old subjectivity. In the US, I would probably be described as some sort of weird blend of liberal/anarchist/conservative, thus I chose "other". I've been called a liberal by conservatives, and conservative by liberals, but I really like the idea of anarchy, so I don't really know how to label myself. I would think that the majority of people wouldn't really fit into any sort of box, but would also be a blend. To me, extremism of any kind limits individual freedom. Even anarchy limits freedom because where does one's freedom overlap/overtake another's?

I follow a simple rule in life: Do whatever makes you happy as long as the intent is to not harm others.

:flowers:

What do you mean by anarchy? When I think of anarchy I think of post apocalyptic The Walking Dead worlds, where everybody is for themselves.


Remember anarchists, anarchy and communism contradict each other because you can't have a command economy and freeshit if it's every man for himself
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N0el is correct in that having a global presence does not equate to "war everywhere all the time."

Unfortuntely human nature and history has shown us that, if allowed, authoritarian countries will attempt to seize power with force. It is the ultimate tool of accomplishment and can only be countered with force of its own.

The US is generally politically moderate on a global scale and has one of if not the most powerful militaries. It is important we maintain a presence so as to dissuade other countries from acting on these violent ideas. This largely means a passive existence but with the possibility for action.

In addition to just having the potential to mobilize quickly nearly everywhere in response to an active threat this also means we can mobilize quickly in response to a disaster with proper aid and help.

Trust me I hate war big time and I'm a coward who would never volunteer for the military but it's one of those things where if we don't do it other countries will so in glad we are the ones doing it.
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When I say anarchy, I mean that, sure "everyone for themselves", but it's really about maximizing one's own happiness. We're truly selfish creatures. I'm not religious, thus, I don't believe in an afterlife. Life is short. Enjoy it while you can. The issue comes when one's own happiness collides with another. A differential here is when an individual doesn't desire to harm other beings/creatures. Finding that balance between what is best for you and what is best for others is an issue. Personally, I gain a lot of pleasure from self-sacrifice. I enjoy helping others. Therefore, they benefit, just as I benefit. Nonetheless, I struggle with finding that balance between being a doormat, but also taking care of myself. If none of this makes sense, I'm sorry. Sometimes, okay often, nope nearly always, I struggle with articulating my thoughts and feelings, particularly when I've been drinking. :flowers:

In any case, yes, my views are weird. I'm weird. But that's okay, we all are in our own ways. I sincerely appreciate and respect all of you, even if it's not the way I feel and think. :flowers:
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XeeleeFlower wrote:When I say anarchy, I mean that, sure "everyone for themselves", but it's really about maximizing one's own happiness. We're truly selfish creatures. I'm not religious, thus, I don't believe in an afterlife. Life is short. Enjoy it while you can. The issue comes when one's own happiness collides with another. A differential here is when an individual doesn't desire to harm other beings/creatures. Finding that balance between what is best for you and what is best for others is an issue. Personally, I gain a lot of pleasure from self-sacrifice. I enjoy helping others. Therefore, they benefit, just as I benefit. Nonetheless, I struggle with finding that balance between being a doormat, but also taking care of myself. If none of this makes sense, I'm sorry. Sometimes, okay often, nope nearly always, I struggle with articulating my thoughts and feelings, particularly when I've been drinking. :flowers:

In any case, yes, my views are weird. I'm weird. But that's okay, we all are in our own ways. I sincerely appreciate and respect all of you, even if it's not the way I feel and think. :flowers:

i would say you value personal freedom, but note that that and anarchy carry very different connotations (anarchy is a political ideology with all the ramifications of one)
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milku3459 wrote:
ovi12 wrote:
XeeleeFlower wrote:I don't like boxes and labels. For me, it depends on the context of the situation - good old subjectivity. In the US, I would probably be described as some sort of weird blend of liberal/anarchist/conservative, thus I chose "other". I've been called a liberal by conservatives, and conservative by liberals, but I really like the idea of anarchy, so I don't really know how to label myself. I would think that the majority of people wouldn't really fit into any sort of box, but would also be a blend. To me, extremism of any kind limits individual freedom. Even anarchy limits freedom because where does one's freedom overlap/overtake another's?

I follow a simple rule in life: Do whatever makes you happy as long as the intent is to not harm others.

:flowers:

What do you mean by anarchy? When I think of anarchy I think of post apocalyptic The Walking Dead worlds, where everybody is for themselves.
Remember anarchists, anarchy and communism contradict each other because you can't have a command economy and freeshit if it's every man for himself
Hence my earlier question. They contradict each other. Also who the fuck isn't anti-fascist?
Out of those options I'm leaning towards left-wing liberal, but it depends on where you're at really. I'd probably be labeled a communist by many.
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Sadly ANTIFA has given anti-facism a bad name, or at least, it has taken on an entirely different meaning of it's own despite sharing the same English words. Of course facism is bad, but I don't agree with a lot of ANTIFA's actions. Labeling oneself as anti-facist usually means aligning oneself with the group called ANTIFA which I'm hesitant to do.

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