Charges Filed: Trump Campaign Russian Ties

[Gendarme]

Hostile towards CIA, the agency which has been at the forefront of worldwide destabilization, war, and agony, yes. Propaganda? What exactly is WikiLeaks lying about?

[Papist]

just for you @Papist https://www.google.no/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... FMWAkXil_2
and https://www.google.no/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... c5GOqQ-4j9

Thanks.

there are plenty of articles on this online, if you care to look.

I did look. I didn't find the ones you posted, and I appreciate you linking them. No need to get huffy about it.

If the election in NY was fair, YES I do think Sanders would and should have won. He is from Brocklyn, and I bet most of those votes would have gone in his favor. Maybe DNC also thought that, since they did this shenanigans trick?? You tell me Einstein.

Add 200,000 votes to Bernie's total and he still lost New York. And that's again assuming they would have all gone to him, which they would not have.

We both know that you had to register in NY a whole year before the election. Think that was about the same time as Sanders announsed his candidacy and was made fun of my all the big news outlets. You might say that thats the way it is, and be satisfied with this?? prolly

That rule long predates Sanders' candidacy. Claiming it was somehow invented to screw him over is stupid. And oh no, the media was mean to Bernie, waaaaaaaah. You sound like Trump.

You still say that there are evidence that Russia hacked the DNC server?? Well, maybe you should reveal your source? The only thing I have seen on this, is media spinn and pure speculations

Sure: the entire U.S. intelligence community.

[spanky4ever]

@Papist This was ONE lawsuit, and why would you think this shenanigans didnt happen all over USA? And it is kind of stupid to have to register one year before the election, - like they have to in NY, wouldnt you agree? What are the reasons for that, do you think? And we all know that there where 100s of trix pulled by DNC, to favor Clinton. Yes, I really think Sanders was the favorit among ppl of USA. He is the favorit among Democratic voters with 80% approval rate. He is the most popular politician in USA by far. Clinton on the other hand, are still less popular than Trump. That is a pretty bad record, giving that we have had Trump in office for a while now.
But facts like that doesnt matter with voting systems like you have. In my country we are all registerd to vote when you reach the age for it, and dont have to belong to any particular Party. We deside what Party we want to vote for at the election day. We talked about this for 80 pages (I think) in the Sanders thread. No use in making this another marathon thread. Agree to disagree with you I guess.
When I dont agree with you, you say I sound like a Trump supporter. Well, you know me better than that. Why you still would say it, I can only wonder??
We have already established that there are no evidence of Russia hacking DNC server, just read the posts above. THERE ARE NO PROOF Einstein

[spanky4ever]

Btw, there are stories out now, that Clinton and DNC paid for research used to discredit Trump. Washington post raises this question:

Why was Hillary Clinton using an opposition research company with Putin-linked clients to dig up dirt on Donald Trump?

Hillary Clinton’s campaign didn’t just pay for the Kremlin-aided smear job on Donald Trump before the election; she continued to use the dirt after the election to frame her humiliating loss as a Russian conspiracy to steal the election.

Bitter to the core, she and her campaign aides hatched a scheme, just 24 hours after conceding the race, to spoon-feed the dirty rumors to an eager liberal media and manufacture the narrative that Russia secretly colluded with her neophyte foe to sabotage her coronation.

Read more here https://www.google.no/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... iKDsVQMNYQ and here https://www.google.no/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... iKDsVQMNYQ if you are interested.

[Gendarme]

I'm enjoying Spanky's posts for once. Who would have thought that her love for Bernie would translate to more hatred towards Clinton than Trump? Lovely.

[spanky4ever]

I'm enjoying Spanky's posts for once. Who would have thought that her love for Bernie would translate to more hatred towards Clinton than Trump? Lovely.

They are both frauds, Clinton AND Trump. This was after all the least favorable candidates to EVER run for office

[n0el]

Why was Hillary Clinton using an opposition research company with Putin-linked clients to dig up dirt on Donald Trump?

Because a Republican presidential candidate (probably Cruz) already paid the initial money and the DNC continued it.

Hillary Clinton’s campaign didn’t just pay for the Kremlin-aided smear job on Donald Trump before the election; she continued to use the dirt after the election to frame her humiliating loss as a Russian conspiracy to steal the election.

Bitter to the core, she and her campaign aides hatched a scheme, just 24 hours after conceding the race, to spoon-feed the dirty rumors to an eager liberal media and manufacture the narrative that Russia secretly colluded with her neophyte foe to sabotage her coronation.

Keep in mind that is not a news article, it is an editorial.

[JakeyBoyTH]

I'm enjoying Spanky's posts for once. Who would have thought that her love for Bernie would translate to more hatred towards Clinton than Trump? Lovely.

I am liking them because I like what she has written, instead of the usual way I like posts, such as @Cometk 's many posts.

[n0el]

I'm enjoying Spanky's posts for once. Who would have thought that her love for Bernie would translate to more hatred towards Clinton than Trump? Lovely.

They are both frauds, Clinton AND Trump. This was after all the least favorable candidates to EVER run for office

Very true

[spanky4ever]

Why was Hillary Clinton using an opposition research company with Putin-linked clients to dig up dirt on Donald Trump?

Because a Republican presidential candidate (probably Cruz) already paid the initial money and the DNC continued it.

Hillary Clinton’s campaign didn’t just pay for the Kremlin-aided smear job on Donald Trump before the election; she continued to use the dirt after the election to frame her humiliating loss as a Russian conspiracy to steal the election.

Bitter to the core, she and her campaign aides hatched a scheme, just 24 hours after conceding the race, to spoon-feed the dirty rumors to an eager liberal media and manufacture the narrative that Russia secretly colluded with her neophyte foe to sabotage her coronation.

Keep in mind that is not a news article, it is an editorial.

guess he just pulled that out of his azz. For the love of Trump Different story; cold it be that some of your corporete media have some dignety left

[n0el]

Not corporate TV for sure. But NPR does for TV and NYT and WaPo for print.

[spanky4ever]

@n0el I hope you didnt miss out of the big news yesterday, that he primary was in fact, rigged from the start

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I hope @Papist got this news 2

Donna Brazile is either very brave, or she is sensing that the winds are turning? and she will soon be irrelevant if she stay on the corporate sucking up, path

it is even a story at CNN https://youtu.be/G_AbImGm1HY

And Bernie Sanders are such a gentleman about this, even when he knew about it, he did not expose her corporate azz. I really think Donna Brazile are leaving the sinking ship now, cos it should be clear to everyone that DNC are broke, out of support, and still try to push the donation button. Not gonna work, and you should be chearing this on, so you maybe could step out of the "flawed democracy" that you currently are.

[spanky4ever]

btw do you wanna know who is the strongest democracy right now?

[spanky4ever]

I can tell you

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Usa is not among them

[Gendarme]

And Bernie Sanders are such a gentleman about this, even when he knew about it, he did not expose her corporate azz.

That's a peculiar way of describing bribery.

Oh Sandersh

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[n0el]

I saw this @spanky4ever, I definitely plan on reading the book to get all the details.

[spanky4ever]

I saw this @spanky4ever, I definitely plan on reading the book to get all the details.

skip the book, and get onboard . get with the flow

[n0el]

i already am, i don't like Hillary and she was bad for the party.

[spanky4ever]

The DNC is just a little better for the ppl, but all in all. they are both in the pocket of corporet money
I wish you would stop defending this shills. and move on to a 3 party - and the win for 2020. not beleaving?

[n0el]

Needs to start in Congress

[JakeyBoyTH]

@N0el_ for president! Not Crooked Hillary or Lyin' Trump.

Third party should be on its way, but with the US predominantly with two parties, i'm not sure how it will play out - isn't there another part if I remember with Jill Stien or the sound of its, but they didn't get many votes. I just don't see a reasonable way for a third party to win - given that Hillary and Trump were pretty much the worst either party has ever had.

[deleted_user0]

No developed European countries are socialist. Maybe portugal qualifies but not really, it has constitutional references but isn't actually socialist. Take your pick from Laos ,NK, China, Cuba and Vietnam if you want to live in a real socialist hellhole- I will admit that Europe is going that way though.
Socialism= slavery. You have been brainwashed into thinking that socialism =social democracy.

What are you talking about? Whole europe has had socialist governments over the last 50 years. France, Germany, Belgium, Uk, Scandinavia, Portugal, Spain, ...

I think you're mistaken socialism and communism. They are different things...

No you are mistaken- socialism is the preceding stage before communism- in socialism the workers have access to the fruits of the means of production and then they attain communism in which
they own the means of production- you clearly have never read any socialist literature.

Countries in Europe have had governments that have espoused but never achieved socialism hence your mistaken association of socialism and social democracy.

Any moment someone will say that Sweden is a socialist country- perhaps you can inform His Majesty Carl XVI Gustaf..........................

China is a third world country that oppresses it's poor and has recently done well since it started to allow capitalist ventures- it is corrupt to the core.

I suggest start with Marx then go on to Gramsci for reading.

Gramsci was an anarchist.

And the holocaust was the result of fascist nationalistic bigotry. Socialism/communism is an globalistic ideology that champions the emancipation of minorities. National socialism has nothing in common with that except a name, arguably one of history's biggest misnomers. You probably know this too, given how much you seem to know about the subject. Which hints at malicious intent.

And for all it's violent purges, communism's deathtoll hardly compares to the carnage that was and still is imperialistic capitalism.

[oats13]

Are you high?

https://www.marxists.org/archive/gramsci/intro.htm

[deleted_user0]

Lol i somehow mixed him up with bakunin =_= my bad. Don't know how that happened.

[oats13]

"And the holocaust was the result of fascist nationalistic bigotry. Socialism/communism is an globalistic ideology that champions the emancipation of minorities. National socialism has nothing in common with that except a name, arguably one of history's biggest misnomers. You probably know this too, given how much you seem to know about the subject. Which hints at malicious intent.

And for all it's violent purges, communism's deathtoll hardly compares to the carnage that was and still is imperialistic capitalism."

This is seriously worrying if you really believe it, like you think socialism can't be nationalistic bigoted or fascistic? championing minorities? like that is some how exclusive? but the really worrying thing is that you think National Socialism is a misnomer-

Here is the 25 point 1920 plan of the NSDAP:

We demand the unification of all Germans in the Greater Germany on the basis of the people's right to self-determination.
We demand equality of rights for the German people in respect to the other nations; abrogation of the peace treaties of Versailles and St. Germain.
We demand land and territory (colonies) for the sustenance of our people and colonization for our surplus population.
Only a member of the race can be a citizen. A member of the race can only be one who is of German blood, without consideration of creed. Consequently, no Jew can be a member of the race.
Whoever has no citizenship is to be able to live in Germany only as a guest and must be under the authority of legislation for foreigners.
The right to determine matters concerning administration and law belongs only to the citizen. Therefore, we demand that every public office, of any sort whatsoever, whether in the Reich, the county or municipality, be filled only by citizens. We combat the corrupting parliamentary economy, office-holding only according to party inclinations without consideration of character or abilities.
We demand that the state be charged first with providing the opportunity for a livelihood and way of life for the citizens. If it is impossible to sustain the total population of the State, then the members of foreign nations (non-citizens) are to be expelled from the Reich.
Any further immigration of non-citizens is to be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans, who have immigrated to Germany since 2 August 1914, be forced immediately to leave the Reich.
All citizens must have equal rights and obligations.
The first obligation of every citizen must be to productively work mentally or physically. The activity of individuals is not to counteract the interests of the universality, but must have its result within the framework of the whole for the benefit of all. Consequently, we demand:
Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes. Breaking of debt (interest)-slavery.
In consideration of the monstrous sacrifice in property and blood that each war demands of the people, personal enrichment through a war must be designated as a crime against the people. Therefore, we demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
We demand the nationalisation of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).
We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.
We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.
We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality.
We demand a land reform suitable to our needs, provision of a law for the free expropriation of land for the purposes of public utility, abolition of taxes on land and prevention of all speculation in land.
We demand struggle without consideration against those whose activity is injurious to the general interest. Common national criminals, usurers, profiteers and so forth are to be punished with death, without consideration of confession or race.
We demand substitution of a German common law in place of the Roman Law serving a materialistic world-order.
The state is to be responsible for a fundamental reconstruction of our whole national education program, to enable every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education and subsequently introduction into leading positions. The plans of instruction of all educational institutions are to conform with the experiences of practical life. The comprehension of the concept of the state must be striven for by the school [Staatsbürgerkunde] as early as the beginning of understanding. We demand the education at the expense of the state of outstanding intellectually gifted children of poor parents without consideration of position or profession.
The state is to care for the elevating national health by protecting the mother and child, by outlawing child-labor, by the encouragement of physical fitness, by means of the legal establishment of a gymnastic and sport obligation, by the utmost support of all organizations concerned with the physical instruction of the young.
We demand abolition of the mercenary troops and formation of a national army.
We demand legal opposition to known lies and their promulgation through the press. In order to enable the provision of a German press, we demand, that:
a. All writers and employees of the newspapers appearing in the German language be members of the race;
b. Non-German newspapers be required to have the express permission of the state to be published. They may not be printed in the German language;
c. Non-Germans are forbidden by law any financial interest in German publications or any influence on them and as punishment for violations the closing of such a publication as well as the immediate expulsion from the Reich of the non-German concerned. Publications which are counter to the general good are to be forbidden. We demand legal prosecution of artistic and literary forms which exert a destructive influence on our national life and the closure of organizations opposing the above made demands.
We demand freedom of religion for all religious denominations within the state so long as they do not endanger its existence or oppose the moral senses of the Germanic race. The Party as such advocates the standpoint of a positive Christianity without binding itself confessionally to any one denomination. It combats the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and around us and is convinced that a lasting recovery of our nation can only succeed from within on the framework: The common good before the individual good. (Gemeinnutz geht vor Eigennutz).[10] Has also been translated as "The good of the state before the good of the individual".[11]
For the execution of all of this we demand the formation of a strong central power in the Reich. Unlimited authority of the central parliament over the whole Reich and its organizations in general. The forming of state and profession chambers for the execution of the laws made by the Reich within the various states of the confederation. The leaders of the Party promise, if necessary by sacrificing their own lives, to support by the execution of the points set forth above without consideration."

In short Hitler was well versed in marx and admired him greatly however due to his drug-induced mania he veered away from socialism into totally paranoid racist lunacy, facism although in it's original Italian form does have some of it's own characteristics, is largely used these days as a term for authoritarianism which is by no means exclusive property of 'the right'.

As for-"and for all it's violent purges, communism's deathtoll hardly compares to the carnage that was and still is imperialistic capitalism."

Well, where to start? we can easily tot up the death toll of the former but the latter? " was and still is" 'imperialistic capitalism' what on earth are you talking about? are you talking about lenins' ideas here specifically or do you hold that the capitalist economy of, for instance, Norway is in some way imperialistic? I would suggest that market capitalism has saved and helped more lives in the last 30 years than you can imagine.

https://ourworldindata.org/extreme-poverty/