Philosophical: Purge
Philosophical: Purge
What if:
At the age of 21 and once yearly after that point the residents of a country underwent a Test. The bottom 50% of that Test would be Purged - their assets liquidated and used to fund public education.
Provisions would be made to prevent dropping below a certain population level, allowing for exceptions to be made to pass the Test.
IE: If a limit of 100 million is set, and there are only 120 million people over 21 living, only a mere 20 million will be Purged.
If this was done, would the country be better off?
100 years later into the country's future, would they score higher amongst other countries than if they had not instituted such a measure?
For the purpose of the poll, assume that the Test was a completely unbiased and objective measure of an individuals intellect and knowledge amongst a wide array of relevant subjects.
At the age of 21 and once yearly after that point the residents of a country underwent a Test. The bottom 50% of that Test would be Purged - their assets liquidated and used to fund public education.
Provisions would be made to prevent dropping below a certain population level, allowing for exceptions to be made to pass the Test.
IE: If a limit of 100 million is set, and there are only 120 million people over 21 living, only a mere 20 million will be Purged.
If this was done, would the country be better off?
100 years later into the country's future, would they score higher amongst other countries than if they had not instituted such a measure?
For the purpose of the poll, assume that the Test was a completely unbiased and objective measure of an individuals intellect and knowledge amongst a wide array of relevant subjects.
Re: Philosophical: Purge
Lol imagine you'd lose family members or friends to that, gl in your later life. Bad idea.
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Re: Philosophical: Purge
Is it the same test every year? What does the test even measure? Can you learn for the test through reading or physical experience with something? Does it test arbitrary knowledge or useful knowledge?
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Re: Philosophical: Purge
Lukas_L99 wrote:Lol imagine you'd lose family members or friends to that, gl in your later life. Bad idea.
He isn't asking whether it's a good or bad idea though, but whether a country with this rule in effect would have a higher score after 100 years.
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it would simply be institutionalized poverty of the lower class. what reason would half your population have to work if they periodically have their assets taken away? how could money even exist in this society? why wouldn't the lower class rebel? this system wouldn't last 100 years, wouldn't last one year, would never become a reality
no reason for this hypothetical because it couldn't exist
no reason for this hypothetical because it couldn't exist
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edeholland wrote:Lukas_L99 wrote:Lol imagine you'd lose family members or friends to that, gl in your later life. Bad idea.
He isn't asking whether it's a good or bad idea though, but whether a country with this rule in effect would have a higher score after 100 years.
No think of all the psychological consequences out of that. People wont be motivated for anything if they lost important people left and right.
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edeholland wrote:Is it the same test every year? What does the test even measure? Can you learn for the test through reading or physical experience with something? Does it test arbitrary knowledge or useful knowledge?
For the purpose of the poll we are assuming that the test is perfectly unbiased and objective, only testing a wide array of relevant information pertaining to an individual's intellect and knowledge amongst relevant subjects. The test covers the same material every year, but the questions will obviously be different, so as to prevent cheating. You can learn the material on the test through public education provided by the country.
It measures your intelligence and knowledge amongst a wide array of subjects. Math, Language, History, etc
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Lukas_L99 wrote:edeholland wrote:Lukas_L99 wrote:Lol imagine you'd lose family members or friends to that, gl in your later life. Bad idea.
He isn't asking whether it's a good or bad idea though, but whether a country with this rule in effect would have a higher score after 100 years.
No think of all the psychological consequences out of that. People wont be motivated for anything if they lost important people left and right.
You'll be motivated to survive.
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No think of all the psychological consequences out of that. People wont be motivated for anything if they lost important people left and right.
You'll be motivated to survive.
I doubt that, who wants to live in a world like that XD
Re: Philosophical: Purge
Maybe not 50%
Getting rid of the weakest would be beneficial for any nation I believe.
Getting rid of the weakest would be beneficial for any nation I believe.
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The problem is it's not an actual intelligence test, its a test of who studies the best.site wrote:edeholland wrote:Is it the same test every year? What does the test even measure? Can you learn for the test through reading or physical experience with something? Does it test arbitrary knowledge or useful knowledge?
For the purpose of the poll we are assuming that the test is perfectly unbiased and objective, only testing a wide array of relevant information pertaining to an individual's intellect and knowledge amongst relevant subjects. The test covers the same material every year, but the questions will obviously be different, so as to prevent cheating. You can learn the material on the test through public education provided by the country.
It measures your intelligence and knowledge amongst a wide array of subjects. Math, Language, History, etc
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Re: Philosophical: Purge
What aspects do you think that the country would be better off without "dumb people" in @site ?
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Re: Philosophical: Purge
Well this wasn't perhaps worded in the best manner.
Country sets ideal population limit.
Yearly, anyone 21+ takes a test. Lowest scores are purged to bring country back to ideal population limit.
You are getting the inherent benefits of an ideal population, as well as a higher median intelligence level of the population.
Country sets ideal population limit.
Yearly, anyone 21+ takes a test. Lowest scores are purged to bring country back to ideal population limit.
You are getting the inherent benefits of an ideal population, as well as a higher median intelligence level of the population.
Re: Philosophical: Purge
if there is ample public education why do you need to purge people at all?
Re: Philosophical: Purge
Cometk wrote:if there is ample public education why do you need to purge people at all?
To combat overpopulation and dwindling resources.
Re: Philosophical: Purge
why not implement something like china's one child per family rule?
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Cometk wrote:why not implement something like china's one child per family rule?
Because it was a huge failure.
EDIT: And is no longer in effect.
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Cometk wrote:why not implement something like china's one child per family rule?
Clearly, that isn't effective for China.
If China which is grossly overpopulated was to institute a Purge Program, they could quickly get their population under control. Additionally, the liquidated assets of the purged would be used to fund better public education and could even be used to address the pollution issues they have.
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In the end you'd probably have people with an IQ of 140 working in factories or cleaning the streets. Is this quest for a high IQ population really necessary? I can see the benefit of avoiding overpopulation but it ends there.
This is basically like asking if society would have less stuff to handle if disabled people didn't exist. Surely. Can society work well even with disabled people in it? It surely can. Is it humanly acceptable to get rid of disabled people, and would it solve any bigger scale problem? Surely not.
This is basically like asking if society would have less stuff to handle if disabled people didn't exist. Surely. Can society work well even with disabled people in it? It surely can. Is it humanly acceptable to get rid of disabled people, and would it solve any bigger scale problem? Surely not.
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Re: Philosophical: Purge
gamevideo113 wrote:In the end you'd probably have people with an IQ of 140 working in factories or cleaning the streets. Is this quest for a high IQ population really necessary? I can see the benefit of avoiding overpopulation but it ends there.
This is basically like asking if society would have less stuff to handle if disabled people didn't exist. Surely. Can society work well even with disabled people in it? It surely can. Is it humanly acceptable to get rid of disabled people, and would it solve any bigger scale problem? Surely not.
With the population at the ideal level, public education improved, and an overall increase in median intelligence, wouldn't it be fair to say that a society would quickly automate many of those factory jobs?
As a society would we not find ways to automate many of those entry level, mundane jobs so as to focus our efforts on those things which will further our progress as a society?
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you're essentially saying this is a post-scarcity society but the only method you outline to achieve this is a fascist one
better way to improve the median intelligence would be to implement methods to end poverty, which could be accomplished through things like, as you say, funding public education... but you rather just kill all the poor people. well ok
better way to improve the median intelligence would be to implement methods to end poverty, which could be accomplished through things like, as you say, funding public education... but you rather just kill all the poor people. well ok
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Cometk wrote:you're essentially saying this is a post-scarcity society but the only method you outline to achieve this is a fascist one
better way to improve the median intelligence would be to end poverty, which would be accomplished through things like, as you say, funding public education... but you rather just kill all the poor people. well ok
Not just the poor people, but the mentally feeble, the disabled, those who don't apply themselves.
Public education will be widely improved and available to all, if you can't pass the Test at 21 and onwards, that's your fault.
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50% seems too much to not cause chaos, at least in a non-orwellian society where the government can't keep everything under total control. If we say 5% per year instead, I think it would be much more feasible. I actually don't think there would be detrimental psychological consequences due to the deaths of loved ones as humans have lived in conditions far more deadly than a yearly 5% and thrived. In this case your survival wouldn't even be random (i.e. if you're a smart guy you'll survive your whole life without any problems), so it is psychologically probably easier than living in old tribal societies.
Having a smaller population would most certainly be beneficial, but we need to be careful to not introduce new problems on our way there. The question would be a lot easier to answer if it was out of our control and a periodical disease swept over our land and killed the bottom 5%, and in that case it's very possible that it would be beneficial, but not necessarily due to getting rid of the bottom 5%, but simply due to the reduction of the population size regardless of intelligence. I do not think this system is compatible with humanity because we are social beings. It goes against human nature to kill innocent people of their own pack, and this is basically the sole reason it wouldn't work. You apparently can't relate to this because you for some reason lack the ability to feel empathy.
Disregarding the killing of people, the question of whether higher average intelligence is beneficial or not remains. It does make sense, but one needs to be careful with assumptions. Humanity would probably vastly change with a significant increase of the average intelligence, and it is not obvious that it would result in a better society. I don't even know where to begin to analyse this either.
Having a smaller population would most certainly be beneficial, but we need to be careful to not introduce new problems on our way there. The question would be a lot easier to answer if it was out of our control and a periodical disease swept over our land and killed the bottom 5%, and in that case it's very possible that it would be beneficial, but not necessarily due to getting rid of the bottom 5%, but simply due to the reduction of the population size regardless of intelligence. I do not think this system is compatible with humanity because we are social beings. It goes against human nature to kill innocent people of their own pack, and this is basically the sole reason it wouldn't work. You apparently can't relate to this because you for some reason lack the ability to feel empathy.
Disregarding the killing of people, the question of whether higher average intelligence is beneficial or not remains. It does make sense, but one needs to be careful with assumptions. Humanity would probably vastly change with a significant increase of the average intelligence, and it is not obvious that it would result in a better society. I don't even know where to begin to analyse this either.
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