Locking posts because someone disagrees.

[InsectPoison]

To be completely honest my biggest gripe with this entire immigration problem has nothing to do with Islam , it's is that there are so many people who are lying about their age to get into the UK. There is a UK home office near where I live and this one time a bus full of refugees came and what i saw was not women or children but men that are able to fight in their respective countries. Why are these people coming here, make no mistake, these are not refugees but economic migrants. These people form gangs and never socialise with people who aren't in their circles. The commit crimes and harass normal street goers and act as if its ok .It's annoying because the local authorities do not have the balls to do anything about it and it's ruining things for other people.

Let me tell you guys a personal experience of mine. When i went to Germany, Hamburg specifically, I went on a boat tour across the harbour and to see the city. On the boat at one point a group of around 6 people came on and immediately i could tell they were refugees, they were all about 20 year old men. They forced people to get out their seats so they could sit down and in general were being rude and annoying to the people on the boat. These types of people do not care about local laws and don't even try to integrate into the place they have come to, they don't respect the people nor the tradition. Why should we put up with people like this.

In my opinion Europe does need to put up with , they don't need to feel guilty about rejecting people. Besides anyone who even makes it to places like Germany/France already should be rejected because they have passed the first peaceful country they could claim asylum in. Instead what they do is try and earn as much money as they can to send back to where they came from. These people are a burden on society and it's costing the tax payers a lot of money to fund benefits and such for these people.

[Dolan]

Those were just some outliers, your personal anecdotal evidence clearly shows your bigotry and you should probably get banned for wrongthink.

How can esoc tolerate such bigotry, omagad, everytime I read stuff like that it's like I have to shut down one hemisphere of my brain.

You being offended by rude and brazen refugees that came to your country to live off your welfare shows how lacking in empathy you are. I bet you're a nazi too and sleep with Mein Kampf under your pillow.

[Gendarme]

There has been more references to 1984 made in these two threads than I and Riki make on our average day off work. That's quite an achievement.

[TheInvincibleJannisary]

If I had bombs going off around my home and crazy shit like that I would want to leave and come to Europe. US and Europe should send some military there to clean that war or whatever it is so they can go back to their home which I'm sure they would prefer.

[Dolan]

So what did we all do when our countries were destroyed by World War 2?

Did we all flee to Arabia and asked to live on welfare there?

[deleted_user0]

https://www.pri.org/stories/2016-04-26/ ... ine-during

the irony.

most syrian refugees didnt even attempt coming to europe, many don't want to. You are arrogant and naive if you think that most people would willingly choose to uproot their lives and live in another country. Every post you make shows a lack of simple insight into human psychology and a lack of perspective about other peoples experiences because you're blinded by negative experiences you had in the past. You also bring up ww2 whenever it suits you, even though you are totally ignorant of many important aspects of that conflict and time.

[Dolan]

Yeah, the irony:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 36306.html

Nobody is denying true refugees the right for shelter in special camps. The number of refugees from Syria is actually less than half than the number of migrants that simply want a comfy welfare system country where they can crash with their entire family.

[Dolan]

Blablabla, you don't provide arguments, just call me ignorant. Great debate skills.

[japanesegeneral]

So what did we all do when our countries were destroyed by World War 2?

Did we all flee to Arabia and asked to live on welfare there?

That is an insanely bad comparison. Did you realize how war changed since the second ww? The difference is that the border in between combants and non combatants is just not existent anymore. That's since it is a war between the many different groupes that did not agree on any law on war.

[Dolan]

Well, during WW2 cities were bombed by military aircraft directly. Much like Syrian cities were during the civil war.

So not sure how having more sides involved in the war changed the picture significantly. Of course there were specifics to each age of combat. War has become more hybrid, more technological and less conventional since WW2. But it's still civilians that bear most of the losses and casualties, when war hits cities.

[deleted_user0]

Blablabla, you don't provide arguments, just call me ignorant. Great debate skills.

what do you want me to provide arguments against? You aren't making any points. your link is completely irrelevant to the post you made and to which i responded. On top of that, it has no hard data to back it up.

Your post made it seem as if Europeans didn't flee their homes during ww2, or atleast, as if they didn't flee to the Levant. Even though many fled to countries in North Africa and the Levant, even as far as Iran. That's common knowledge, if you don't know this, but bring up WW2 illustrate something, whichever that may be, I don't know what to do but to call you out on your ignorance.

Whether the majority of the current immigrants coming to Europe are war refugees or not, is another matter, and has little to do with what you posted. All that did was just illustrate your closeted white supremacist views.

[japanesegeneral]

The difference is that in syria there are snipers that hunt children and cruelties like those happening.

[Dolan]

Your post made it seem as if Europeans didn't flee their homes during ww2, or atleast, as if they didn't flee to the Levant. Even though many fled to countries in North Africa and the Levant, even as far as Iran. That's common knowledge, if you don't know this, but bring up WW2 illustrate something, whichever that may be, I don't know what to do but to call you out on your ignorance.

Whether the majority of the current immigrants coming to Europe are war refugees or not, is another matter, and has little to do with what you posted.

Point taken, I was not aware that some Europeans fled to the Middle East during WW2. Spoiler: I'm not an all-knowing entity, there are many historical facts I'm not aware of. But we should compare what was the percentage of Europeans who fled their countries while faced with war and what's the percentage of Syrians who did. And I'm curious how many of those Europeans who fled to Syria were men who were physically fit for warfare but choose not to defend their lands.

How can you ignore that most "refugees" are not even coming from war-torn countries? It shows what is the real motivation behind their migration. Nobody, including me, denied the right of true refugees from Syria to seek temporary refuge from war.

All that did was just illustrate your closeted white supremacist views.

. Ok.

[deleted_user0]

Your post made it seem as if Europeans didn't flee their homes during ww2, or atleast, as if they didn't flee to the Levant. Even though many fled to countries in North Africa and the Levant, even as far as Iran. That's common knowledge, if you don't know this, but bring up WW2 illustrate something, whichever that may be, I don't know what to do but to call you out on your ignorance.

Whether the majority of the current immigrants coming to Europe are war refugees or not, is another matter, and has little to do with what you posted.

Point taken, I was not aware that some Europeans fled to the Middle East during WW2. Spoiler: I'm not an all-knowing entity, there are many historical facts I'm not aware of.

How can you ignore that most "refugees" are not even coming from war-torn countries? It shows what is the real motivation behind their migration. Nobody, including me, denied the right of true refugees from Syria to seek temporary refuge from war.

I can ignore it because I am not responding to your stance on (mass) immigration. I was responding to your post about refugees during ww2.

All that did was just illustrate your closeted white supremacist views.

. Ok.

What else am I supposed to make of this?

But we should compare what was the percentage of Europeans who fled their countries while faced with war and what's the percentage of Syrians who did. And I'm curious how many of those Europeans who fled to Syria were men who were physically fit for warfare but choose not to defend their lands.

both posts seem to me as if youre trying to paint europeans as much more heroic and standfast in conflict situations, compared to people from the middle east.

europe had around 416m inhabitants in 1940. around 60 million people fled their homes over the course of the war. BUT it's very likely that many more would have done so if the Nazi's hadn't made it impossible by cutting off the borders. Syria has about 22 million inhabitants, of which around 3-4 million have fled to other countries. In both cases the displacement is between 10-20%

[Dolan]

According to the latest stats from the UNHCR it seems the number of registered Syrian refugees is 5.48 millions. Those were registered in Turkey, because that's the country where they first sought refuge. From those 5.48 millions close to 1 million have applied for refugee status in Europe. The total number of refugees that came to Europe since the Syrian war seems to be about 5 million. So like only 1 in 5 refugees come from the Syrian war zone.

Source: http://data.unhcr.org/syrianrefugees/regional.php

According to other estimations, the total number of displaced people reaches 11 millions. UNOCHA:

http://www.unocha.org/syria

europe had around 416m inhabitants in 1940. around 60 million people fled their homes over the course of the war

Where did you get this number from?

[lejend]

There is a difference between locking a post when someone disagrees and when the post has gone off topic to the point of attacking a religion because you are afraid of them.

The discussion wasn't going anywhere, but it shouldn't have gotten locked. There were some jokes about Britain and how it is turning into an Islamic police state, and maybe gibson trolled a little, but I don't remember any attacks on people. A simple moderator request to stay on topic would've been sufficient, I think. Mpderators generally should focus less on punishing bad content, and more on positive encouragement of good content. Just ask umeo. She probably learned this in college.

[Laurence Drake]

There is a difference between locking a post when someone disagrees and when the post has gone off topic to the point of attacking a religion because you are afraid of them.

The discussion wasn't going anywhere, but it shouldn't have gotten locked. There were some jokes about Britain and how it is turning into an Islamic police state, and maybe gibson trolled a little, but I don't remember any attacks on people. A simple moderator request to stay on topic would've been sufficient, I think. Mpderators generally should focus less on punishing bad content, and more on positive encouragement of good content. Just ask umeo. She probably learned this in college.

Everyone knows college is a waste of money. Enlightened modernists live frugal lifestyles and get jobs in retail and deposit their savings in passive investment vehicles with the aim of retiring at 50.

[deleted_user0]

According to the latest stats from the UNHCR it seems the number of registered Syrian refugees is 5.48 millions. Those were registered in Turkey, because that's the country where they first sought refuge. From those 5.48 millions close to 1 million have applied for refugee status in Europe. The total number of refugees that came to Europe since the Syrian war seems to be about 5 million. So like only 1 in 5 refugees come from the Syrian war zone.

Source: http://data.unhcr.org/syrianrefugees/regional.php

According to other estimations, the total number of displaced people reaches 11 millions. UNOCHA:

http://www.unocha.org/syria

europe had around 416m inhabitants in 1940. around 60 million people fled their homes over the course of the war

Where did you get this number from?

displacement is indeed higher, the number i mentioned was people who left syria. the 11 million you cite also includes people displaced inside syria. 5 million fled to outside syria is a number that doesnt seem that strange to me, and isnt so far from what i said. perhaps they are more up to date numbers. i havent really spent much effort in looking them up. 5m is still around 20% most of them however are in neighbouring countries.
the numbers about ww2 are from wikipedia.

[lejend]

It's really amusing how you can often tell someone who has never read the Koran- they are too busy defending it

Tbh this argument does not make any sense because if you read the bible you can see it also says horrible things. Also different things can be interpreted different ways.

In Christianity and modern mainstream Judaism, the Bible's "horrible" passages are more often considered descriptions of historical events, figures of speech, etc., not commandments.

[gibson]

It's really amusing how you can often tell someone who has never read the Koran- they are too busy defending it

Tbh this argument does not make any sense because if you read the bible you can see it also says horrible things. Also different things can be interpreted different ways.

In Christianity and modern mainstream Judaism, the Bible's "horrible" passages are more often considered descriptions of historical events, figures of speech, etc., not commandments.

If any man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey his father or his mother, and when they chastise him, he will not even listen to them, then his father and mother shall seize him, and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gateway of his home town. And they shall say to the elders of his city, “This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey us, he is a glutton and a drunkard.” Then all the men of his city shall stone him to death; so you shall remove the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear of it and fear.
Deuteronomy 21:18–21

Yea that was a nice historical event, when parents started stoning their children for being rebellious.

[Gendarme]

tfw being disobedient instantly makes you fat and drunk

[Snuden]

@lejend are you religious?

[dietschlander]

@Snuden are those devil horns behind the colas?

[Snuden]

Yep.

[Theodore]

Are we finally at our Christian boy band's favourite song (again)? Serenade of our culture's sinking ship due to the Islamic iceberg?

I admit I have skipped most of the above, but probably this got derailed as well - the reason the nazi-dog-thread got closed is obvious. Some started a completely different discussion.