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Jesus christ and God (yes uppercase) have no place in a political discussion. Especially since the bible is a retelling of Hebrew scripts which is a repelling of Sumerian scripts which are written versions of the oral Vedas from India which most likely originated in the southern Indian coast in cities that are now underwater because of the natural rise in sea level from glacial melting thousands of years ago. Bible = retelling of oral traditions from Indian "Atlantis".

Ok now for the relevant stuff. American citizens feel that the government is the most broken institution because Americans do not actively participate in their democracy. Most citizens only vote ONCE EVERY FOR YEARS and even then only 50% turnout. If we're talking about state, county, and local elections, the turnout is even smaller. So small that the power of voting becomes concentrated in the small percentage of the population that actively votes in every election. This means lobbyists simple have to incentivize(pay) groups of people to go vote in order to swing the vote in their favor. If the voter turnout were larger, lobbyists and government officials would not be able to pay for votes as it would be too expensive and noticeable.
Also, Americans do not care to inform themselves of their rights and the government keeps them preoccupied on 1 civil right (the 2nd Ammendment) in order to limit exposure/interest in other rights (such as the freedom to petition the government and to hold a publicly organized event). The reason I mention those last two rights, which are included in the Bill of Rights, is because the US government takes advantage of their population's ignorance in order to shit on these rights time and time again. Ex: militarized police and swat teams being sent to stop public and peaceful demonstrations. In short, the US government keeps their citizens preoccupied with emotionally charged rhetoric as to limit their interest in important political issues and the democratic process. Americans really have no one to blame but themseves for this brokeness.
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Snuden wrote:I was thinking off the religion retardness as a whole.


Not often I agree with Snuden, but on rare occation, he makes a good point :cry:
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iwillspankyou wrote:
Snuden wrote:I was thinking off the religion retardness as a whole.


Not often I agree with Snuden, but on rare occation, he makes a good point :cry:

You will go to hell for that :devil:
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Religion is very relevant to the topic. Organized religion is also an institution and in recent years has experienced a decrease in trust. It's a relevant question to ask whether people are replacing the religious utopia with an Earthly one, and how this affects the rise of ideologies like nationalism, socialism, etc., which promise a perfect life on Earth instead of in the afterlife, as long as you look the other way while a few million undesirables are eliminated. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

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Replace strong with religious and weak with irreligious, and that's Western history in a nutshell.
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please show the data to back up your claims or gtfo to reddit.
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umeu wrote:please show the data to back up your claims or gtfo to reddit.
Who needs data when you can just ask God?
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Jam wrote:
umeu wrote:please show the data to back up your claims or gtfo to reddit.
Who needs data when you can just ask God?


asked god. says use data instead he doesnt know either and is not more reliable anyways.

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umeu wrote:please show the data to back up your claims or gtfo to reddit.

- Religion
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Pick one
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umeu wrote:please show the data to back up your claims or gtfo to reddit.


Uh what claim?
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lejend wrote:
umeu wrote:please show the data to back up your claims or gtfo to reddit.


Uh what claim?

Probably that cringy picture and cringier annotation.

I don't really follow goodspeed's comment as lejend's claims could be (not) supported with the multitude of data on declining religious activity and declining crime rates.

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Can you post the link to the actual article?
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lejend wrote:
umeu wrote:please show the data to back up your claims or gtfo to reddit.


Uh what claim?


you are absolutely stupid, apparently.
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lejend wrote:Religion is very relevant to the topic. Organized religion is also an institution and in recent years has experienced a decrease in trust. It's a relevant question to ask whether people are replacing the religious utopia with an Earthly one, and how this affects the rise of ideologies like nationalism, socialism, etc., which promise a perfect life on Earth instead of in the afterlife, as long as you look the other way while a few million undesirables are eliminated. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

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Replace strong with religious and weak with irreligious, and that's Western history in a nutshell.


Wait so you wanna say that religious men create good times?
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Lukas_L99 wrote:
lejend wrote:Religion is very relevant to the topic. Organized religion is also an institution and in recent years has experienced a decrease in trust. It's a relevant question to ask whether people are replacing the religious utopia with an Earthly one, and how this affects the rise of ideologies like nationalism, socialism, etc., which promise a perfect life on Earth instead of in the afterlife, as long as you look the other way while a few million undesirables are eliminated. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

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Replace strong with religious and weak with irreligious, and that's Western history in a nutshell.


Wait so you wanna say that religious men create good times?

Maybe , go from top to bottom, during hard times you turn to faith, prayers etc.. ie. hard times create religious men.
Now these men overcome hardships and usher in era of prosperity so religious men create good times.
Now during good times there are freeloaders and they will just be the opposition for sake of it or just like hey I don't like this. so good times create irreligious men.
Now these men are hell bent on destroying the system ex. terrorists. so irreligious ppl create hard times... idk maybe he meant something like this
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princeofcarthage wrote:Maybe , go from top to bottom, during hard times you turn to faith, prayers etc.. ie. hard times create religious men.
Now these men overcome hardships and usher in era of prosperity so religious men create good times.
Now during good times there are freeloaders and they will just be the opposition for sake of it or just like hey I don't like this. so good times create irreligious men.
Now these men are hell bent on destroying the system ex. terrorists. so irreligious ppl create hard times... idk maybe he meant something like this


So for example the inquisition, witch-hunt, creation of ISIS were/are all good times since they were pursued by very religious people? :hmm:
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My dads a pastor and I'm somewhat religious whatever I say MATTERS THE MOST.
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The only time I've prayed is when I've been in life endangering scenarios.

More of those plzzzzz!!!!
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Seriously this is all such pseudo shit it astounds me
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Literally embarrassingly show of and shut up or learn to word things better (irony intended)
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Lukas_L99 wrote:
princeofcarthage wrote:Maybe , go from top to bottom, during hard times you turn to faith, prayers etc.. ie. hard times create religious men.
Now these men overcome hardships and usher in era of prosperity so religious men create good times.
Now during good times there are freeloaders and they will just be the opposition for sake of it or just like hey I don't like this. so good times create irreligious men.
Now these men are hell bent on destroying the system ex. terrorists. so irreligious ppl create hard times... idk maybe he meant something like this


So for example the inquisition, witch-hunt, creation of ISIS were/are all good times since they were pursued by very religious people? :hmm:

Nope, they were the result of good times created by religious people, meaning ISIS is irreligious, meaning good times create irreligious people. Here I would like to term ISIS as irreligious men.

Look at it this way
1) There was a good time, prosperity everywhere, but everyone wanted more of the same pie.
2) People grew greedy etc... lost the path on which prosperity was built ie. became irreligious.
3) these irreligious men created hard times that is creation of ISIS etc...

probably shouldnt look at religion in it's literal meaning here
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princeofcarthage wrote:
Lukas_L99 wrote:
princeofcarthage wrote:Maybe , go from top to bottom, during hard times you turn to faith, prayers etc.. ie. hard times create religious men.
Now these men overcome hardships and usher in era of prosperity so religious men create good times.
Now during good times there are freeloaders and they will just be the opposition for sake of it or just like hey I don't like this. so good times create irreligious men.
Now these men are hell bent on destroying the system ex. terrorists. so irreligious ppl create hard times... idk maybe he meant something like this


So for example the inquisition, witch-hunt, creation of ISIS were/are all good times since they were pursued by very religious people? :hmm:

Nope, they were the result of good times created by religious people, meaning ISIS is irreligious, meaning good times create irreligious people. Here I would like to term ISIS as irreligious men.

Look at it this way
1) There was a good time, prosperity everywhere, but everyone wanted more of the same pie.
2) People grew greedy etc... lost the path on which prosperity was built ie. became irreligious.
3) these irreligious men created hard times that is creation of ISIS etc...

probably shouldnt look at religion in it's literal meaning here


lol go tell isis theyre not religious. in fact, go tell the people who hate isis theyre not religious XD

anyway, prove to me that religious people create good times. hint? you can't. Not just the vast majority, but pretty much everyone has been religious in history for as long as we know it, up to pretty much the 15th century AD. So are you saying that the whole history up until that point has been the good times, and since then we're having the bad times?
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Possibly the things might be unrelated from each other but still happen synchronically. Hard times create men that are able to overcome the problems of their era, and at the same time hard times lead more men to turn to faith for support. Then the other way around happens with good times, although it's not necessairily thanks to religion that good times were achieved.
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Nope, they were the result of good times created by religious people, meaning ISIS is irreligious, meaning good times create irreligious people. Here I would like to term ISIS as irreligious men.

Look at it this way
1) There was a good time, prosperity everywhere, but everyone wanted more of the same pie.
2) People grew greedy etc... lost the path on which prosperity was built ie. became irreligious.
3) these irreligious men created hard times that is creation of ISIS etc...

probably shouldnt look at religion in it's literal meaning here


lol go tell isis theyre not religious. in fact, go tell the people who hate isis theyre not religious XD

anyway, prove to me that religious people create good times. hint? you can't. Not just the vast majority, but pretty much everyone has been religious in history for as long as we know it, up to pretty much the 15th century AD. So are you saying that the whole history up until that point has been the good times, and since then we're having the bad times?

Nope,
firstly I said in the post don't take the word religious literally.
I claim to be the best aoe 3 player, does that really make me? No similarly isis claiming to be religious doesn't make them religious. The religion they claim are following does not teach rape of women, killing of innocent children, sending children strapped with suicide bombs in market etc.. heck none of the religion preaches war.
Its basically matter of perspective... if you look from western world's or specifically america's perspective, after gaining independence from world's superpower of the time, surviving a civil war, 2 world wars, recessions, internal resistance, winning cold war etc, after so much efforts their vision of a prosperous and peaceful world was finally coming true... and was just shaken by isis al-Qaeda etc... Here isis etc are just the spoiled brats looking to uproot the system, that is what makes them irreligious in eyes of america and its not the faith they follow. like i said dont take the work religion literally here
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You're just going to end up shooting yourself in the foot trying to tell someone else that they are not religious. It's not a very well-defined term, and most definitions you can find include the subjective interpretation of the world of the person (i.e. beliefs). I think the discussion is better off not tarring all religions with the same brush.
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