Do You Believe?

This is for discussions about news, politics, sports, other games, culture, philosophy etc.

Your thoughts on aliens closest resemble which of the following?

I do not believe in aliens
8
17%
I think aliens are out there but we have not met them yet
25
54%
I think we have found evidence of aliens on earth and it is being covered up.
8
17%
Other
5
11%
 
Total votes: 46

User avatar
Kiribati princeofcarthage
Retired Contributor
Posts: 8861
Joined: Aug 28, 2015
Location: Milky Way!

Re: Do You Believe?

Post by princeofcarthage »

Well technically beyond doubt alien life exists.
Fine line to something great is a strange change.
Canada Jam
Jaeger
Posts: 3107
Joined: May 16, 2015
ESO: Hyperactive Jam

Re: Do You Believe?

Post by Jam »

We are the aliens dude.

Woah.
User avatar
Italy Garja
Retired Contributor
Donator 02
Posts: 9729
Joined: Feb 11, 2015
ESO: Garja

Re: Do You Believe?

Post by Garja »

Indeed we are. The probability of us being alone in the universe is infinitely small.
Image Image Image
Netherlands momuuu
Ninja
Posts: 14237
Joined: Jun 7, 2015
ESO: Jerom_

Re: Do You Believe?

Post by momuuu »

Garja wrote:Indeed we are. The probability of us being alone in the universe is infinitely small.

its very small. not infinitely small.
User avatar
Italy Garja
Retired Contributor
Donator 02
Posts: 9729
Joined: Feb 11, 2015
ESO: Garja

Re: Do You Believe?

Post by Garja »

Considering the fact that the universe keeps expanding it is infinitely small.
Image Image Image
User avatar
Austria KINGofOsmane
Pro Player
Posts: 3096
Joined: Feb 24, 2015
ESO: KINGofOsmane
Location: Walling Town

Re: Do You Believe?

Post by KINGofOsmane »

i believe in u garja <3
"Losing to Callen was the worst night of my life" Gibthedurrty 2019
"If hazza can get pr42 with team i can get pr50 with 1v1" Gibthedurrty 2018
Lecastete wrote: Dude i hate this game. I am bad and i also dont have luck
Tete cs:go experience
User avatar
Italy gamevideo113
Howdah
Posts: 1899
Joined: Apr 26, 2017
ESO: gamevideo113

Re: Do You Believe?

Post by gamevideo113 »

Why would you say that the possibility of us being alone is small? I still can't believe such complex forms of life managed to form once, i am very doubtful about the possibility of it happening again in a significant time lapse/location for us humans. Maybe if you search far and wide you can find some sort of complex organic molecules, but the odds of them evolving into cellular forms of life is not high really. Consider all the conditions that you can have to meet in order to have an environment that can sustain life (water, temperature, atmosphere), consider that it takes millions of years for life to form (in those years anything could happen that could disrupt the formation of life), consider the complexity of life as we know it (honestly i see it pretty much as a miracle). Even if some sort of life was able to form it wouldn't necessarily have to become intelligent to the point where it can manipulate electromagnetic waves and send signals to the rest of the universe. I think we are very likely to become extinct before we can meet other forms of intelligent life.
[Some people aspire to be pr30+, some people aspire to have fun, and some people aspire to play 3v3 Deccan.] - vividlyplain - 2019 Who (nationality) rape ?
stupid logic. noob players can say op?
toxic, Insult, Racism ?
User avatar
United States of America gustavusadolphus
Lancer
Posts: 520
Joined: Oct 19, 2015

Re: Do You Believe?

Post by gustavusadolphus »

gamevideo113 wrote:Why would you say that the possibility of us being alone is small? I still can't believe such complex forms of life managed to form once, i am very doubtful about the possibility of it happening again in a significant time lapse/location for us humans. Maybe if you search far and wide you can find some sort of complex organic molecules, but the odds of them evolving into cellular forms of life is not high really. Consider all the conditions that you can have to meet in order to have an environment that can sustain life (water, temperature, atmosphere), consider that it takes millions of years for life to form (in those years anything could happen that could disrupt the formation of life), consider the complexity of life as we know it (honestly i see it pretty much as a miracle). Even if some sort of life was able to form it wouldn't necessarily have to become intelligent to the point where it can manipulate electromagnetic waves and send signals to the rest of the universe. I think we are very likely to become extinct before we can meet other forms of intelligent life.


Are we really complex and intelligent? You Seem to be only looking at this thought the scope of life must be similar to humans and the conditions for it must be similar to conditions on earth. I must agree that we are a long way off from being able to meet them by going to them, I guess we will have to "hope" they come to us.
10000 gallon fiberglass, FNS plus DE filter 48 square foot, ray pack Mini Max 512 BTU gas heater, one Sip n Oodle, NO ZEOSAND
User avatar
Italy gamevideo113
Howdah
Posts: 1899
Joined: Apr 26, 2017
ESO: gamevideo113

Re: Do You Believe?

Post by gamevideo113 »

The conditions must be similar to those on hearth because a lot of the biochemical reactions that allow life on this planet can only happen in a relatively narrow window of conditions, e.g. DNA molecules cannot stay in a double-helix conformation if the temperature is above 100 celsius degrees, while water is frozen below 0 degrees so life cannot develop in those conditions.
[Some people aspire to be pr30+, some people aspire to have fun, and some people aspire to play 3v3 Deccan.] - vividlyplain - 2019 Who (nationality) rape ?
stupid logic. noob players can say op?
toxic, Insult, Racism ?
Netherlands momuuu
Ninja
Posts: 14237
Joined: Jun 7, 2015
ESO: Jerom_

Re: Do You Believe?

Post by momuuu »

Garja wrote:Considering the fact that the universe keeps expanding it is infinitely small.

Considering the fact that the universe is finite right now, and will always stay finite, it is finitely small garja.
User avatar
United States of America gustavusadolphus
Lancer
Posts: 520
Joined: Oct 19, 2015

Re: Do You Believe?

Post by gustavusadolphus »

gamevideo113 wrote:The conditions must be similar to those on hearth because a lot of the biochemical reactions that allow life on this planet can only happen in a relatively narrow window of conditions, e.g. DNA molecules cannot stay in a double-helix conformation if the temperature is above 100 celsius degrees, while water is frozen below 0 degrees so life cannot develop in those conditions.


But isint that only for life we have found here?
10000 gallon fiberglass, FNS plus DE filter 48 square foot, ray pack Mini Max 512 BTU gas heater, one Sip n Oodle, NO ZEOSAND
Netherlands momuuu
Ninja
Posts: 14237
Joined: Jun 7, 2015
ESO: Jerom_

Re: Do You Believe?

Post by momuuu »

It's much easier to narrow down the search and reasoning for similair lifeforms. There could be other ways life thrives but we know that it is at the very least possible on earthlike planets.
User avatar
United States of America gustavusadolphus
Lancer
Posts: 520
Joined: Oct 19, 2015

Re: Do You Believe?

Post by gustavusadolphus »

momuuu wrote:
Garja wrote:Considering the fact that the universe keeps expanding it is infinitely small.

Considering the fact that the universe is finite right now, and will always stay finite, it is finitely small garja.


What do you think is at the end of the universe?
10000 gallon fiberglass, FNS plus DE filter 48 square foot, ray pack Mini Max 512 BTU gas heater, one Sip n Oodle, NO ZEOSAND
User avatar
United States of America gustavusadolphus
Lancer
Posts: 520
Joined: Oct 19, 2015

Re: Do You Believe?

Post by gustavusadolphus »

momuuu wrote:It's much easier to narrow down the search and reasoning for similair lifeforms. There could be other ways life thrives but we know that it is at the very least possible on earthlike planets.


Would you agree that his because its easier it does not make it law, as some believe.
10000 gallon fiberglass, FNS plus DE filter 48 square foot, ray pack Mini Max 512 BTU gas heater, one Sip n Oodle, NO ZEOSAND
Netherlands momuuu
Ninja
Posts: 14237
Joined: Jun 7, 2015
ESO: Jerom_

Re: Do You Believe?

Post by momuuu »

gustavusadolphus wrote:
momuuu wrote:
Garja wrote:Considering the fact that the universe keeps expanding it is infinitely small.

Considering the fact that the universe is finite right now, and will always stay finite, it is finitely small garja.


What do you think is at the end of the universe?

nothing.
gustavusadolphus wrote:
momuuu wrote:It's much easier to narrow down the search and reasoning for similair lifeforms. There could be other ways life thrives but we know that it is at the very least possible on earthlike planets.

Would you agree that his because its easier it does not make it law, as some believe.

Obviously. But making an estimate as to what the chance is that life forms similair to ours is the only estimate that can be made, and that estimate is an appropriate one. So sticking to that is just easier.
User avatar
United States of America gustavusadolphus
Lancer
Posts: 520
Joined: Oct 19, 2015

Re: Do You Believe?

Post by gustavusadolphus »

Can the nothing be a continuation of space but with nothing in it? And van something expand into the nothing? And if it it can is it Riley nothing or just empty space?
10000 gallon fiberglass, FNS plus DE filter 48 square foot, ray pack Mini Max 512 BTU gas heater, one Sip n Oodle, NO ZEOSAND
Netherlands momuuu
Ninja
Posts: 14237
Joined: Jun 7, 2015
ESO: Jerom_

Re: Do You Believe?

Post by momuuu »

gustavusadolphus wrote:Can the nothing be a continuation of space but with nothing in it? And van something expand into the nothing? And if it it can is it Riley nothing or just empty space?

If I am not mistaken (general relativity and cosmology is pretty hard) there isn't even "empty space" out there. Basically the size of the universe is determined by space itself expanding. But I never really managed to grasp these concepts, I can only calculate stuff related to it.
User avatar
Italy gamevideo113
Howdah
Posts: 1899
Joined: Apr 26, 2017
ESO: gamevideo113

Re: Do You Believe?

Post by gamevideo113 »

gustavusadolphus wrote:
gamevideo113 wrote:The conditions must be similar to those on hearth because a lot of the biochemical reactions that allow life on this planet can only happen in a relatively narrow window of conditions, e.g. DNA molecules cannot stay in a double-helix conformation if the temperature is above 100 celsius degrees, while water is frozen below 0 degrees so life cannot develop in those conditions.


But isint that only for life we have found here?

By definition organisms (any form of life) have these characteristics:
1.They are made of cells;
2.They can be unicellular or multicellular;
3.They grow and develop;
4.They fulfill regulated metabolic reactions;
5.They are responsive to stimuli;
6.They are able to reproduce;
7.They have different levels of organization;
8.They transmit informations from one generation to the next one (DNA);
9.They evolve and adapt to the environment.

It's not that easy to "have life" :biggrin:
[Some people aspire to be pr30+, some people aspire to have fun, and some people aspire to play 3v3 Deccan.] - vividlyplain - 2019 Who (nationality) rape ?
stupid logic. noob players can say op?
toxic, Insult, Racism ?
User avatar
United States of America gustavusadolphus
Lancer
Posts: 520
Joined: Oct 19, 2015

Re: Do You Believe?

Post by gustavusadolphus »

momuuu wrote:
gustavusadolphus wrote:Can the nothing be a continuation of space but with nothing in it? And van something expand into the nothing? And if it it can is it Riley nothing or just empty space?

If I am not mistaken (general relativity and cosmology is pretty hard) there isn't even "empty space" out there. Basically the size of the universe is determined by space itself expanding. But I never really managed to grasp these concepts, I can only calculate stuff related to it.


This is how I understand many laws in physics and science as farbas how the math lines up but when you think about how it physically exists it makes no sense. Time dialation is like this to me, the math is super easy to understand as well as a graph of it but when trying to understand to mechanical clocks clicking away that started at the same point coming back at different times makes no sense to me.
10000 gallon fiberglass, FNS plus DE filter 48 square foot, ray pack Mini Max 512 BTU gas heater, one Sip n Oodle, NO ZEOSAND
User avatar
United States of America gustavusadolphus
Lancer
Posts: 520
Joined: Oct 19, 2015

Re: Do You Believe?

Post by gustavusadolphus »

gamevideo113 wrote:
gustavusadolphus wrote:
gamevideo113 wrote:The conditions must be similar to those on hearth because a lot of the biochemical reactions that allow life on this planet can only happen in a relatively narrow window of conditions, e.g. DNA molecules cannot stay in a double-helix conformation if the temperature is above 100 celsius degrees, while water is frozen below 0 degrees so life cannot develop in those conditions.


But isint that only for life we have found here?

By definition organisms (any form of life) have these characteristics:
1.They are made of cells;
2.They can be unicellular or multicellular;
3.They grow and develop;
4.They fulfill regulated metabolic reactions;
5.They are responsive to stimuli;
6.They are able to reproduce;
7.They have different levels of organization;
8.They transmit informations from one generation to the next one (DNA)
9.They evolve and adapt to the environment.

It's not that easy to "have life" :biggrin:


Can this or has this definition changed?
10000 gallon fiberglass, FNS plus DE filter 48 square foot, ray pack Mini Max 512 BTU gas heater, one Sip n Oodle, NO ZEOSAND
User avatar
Italy gamevideo113
Howdah
Posts: 1899
Joined: Apr 26, 2017
ESO: gamevideo113

Re: Do You Believe?

Post by gamevideo113 »

I'm not sure about that but i'm pretty sure that anything that doesn't meet all of these criteria is not life (e.g. Viruses)
[Some people aspire to be pr30+, some people aspire to have fun, and some people aspire to play 3v3 Deccan.] - vividlyplain - 2019 Who (nationality) rape ?
stupid logic. noob players can say op?
toxic, Insult, Racism ?
User avatar
United States of America gustavusadolphus
Lancer
Posts: 520
Joined: Oct 19, 2015

Re: Do You Believe?

Post by gustavusadolphus »

gamevideo113 wrote:I'm not sure about that but i'm pretty sure that anything that doesn't meet all of these criteria is not life (e.g. Viruses)


My point is this is the scope we operate in it limits us greatly. But I guess the line has to be drawn somwhere
10000 gallon fiberglass, FNS plus DE filter 48 square foot, ray pack Mini Max 512 BTU gas heater, one Sip n Oodle, NO ZEOSAND
User avatar
Italy gamevideo113
Howdah
Posts: 1899
Joined: Apr 26, 2017
ESO: gamevideo113

Re: Do You Believe?

Post by gamevideo113 »

This is the scope you have to operate in if you want to talk about life...
[Some people aspire to be pr30+, some people aspire to have fun, and some people aspire to play 3v3 Deccan.] - vividlyplain - 2019 Who (nationality) rape ?
stupid logic. noob players can say op?
toxic, Insult, Racism ?
Netherlands momuuu
Ninja
Posts: 14237
Joined: Jun 7, 2015
ESO: Jerom_

Re: Do You Believe?

Post by momuuu »

gustavusadolphus wrote:
momuuu wrote:
gustavusadolphus wrote:Can the nothing be a continuation of space but with nothing in it? And van something expand into the nothing? And if it it can is it Riley nothing or just empty space?

If I am not mistaken (general relativity and cosmology is pretty hard) there isn't even "empty space" out there. Basically the size of the universe is determined by space itself expanding. But I never really managed to grasp these concepts, I can only calculate stuff related to it.


This is how I understand many laws in physics and science as farbas how the math lines up but when you think about how it physically exists it makes no sense. Time dialation is like this to me, the math is super easy to understand as well as a graph of it but when trying to understand to mechanical clocks clicking away that started at the same point coming back at different times makes no sense to me.

You could take what's called the instrumentalist position: the physics model is merely a mathematical instrument with which phenomena can be described, categorized and some empiric predictions can be made. You could also take the realist position: The physical model actually describes what is happening and gives insight in the real way the world works. So if you would take the former position, you could say there could be space beyond the edge of the universe and that we're simply using general relativity as a mathematical tool, while if you favor the latter then there would be no space beyond the universe.

In many cases the realist position has in the past won. I'd also say theres no reason for our intuition to hold true in extremities of the universe (small or large scale) so the world doesn't have to make sense. There are many counterintuitive things, even in Newtonian physics (chaos for example) that just don't seem to be sensible. But that's just what things are like.
User avatar
United States of America gustavusadolphus
Lancer
Posts: 520
Joined: Oct 19, 2015

Re: Do You Believe?

Post by gustavusadolphus »

gamevideo113 wrote:This is the scope you have to operate in if you want to talk about life...


If we took cells out of the equation can robots or computer be considered life? I feel like they hit the mark in all other places or at least extremely close.
10000 gallon fiberglass, FNS plus DE filter 48 square foot, ray pack Mini Max 512 BTU gas heater, one Sip n Oodle, NO ZEOSAND

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 15 guests

Which top 10 players do you wish to see listed?

All-time

Active last two weeks

Active last month

Supremacy

Treaty

Official

ESOC Patch

Treaty Patch

1v1 Elo

2v2 Elo

3v3 Elo

Power Rating

Which streams do you wish to see listed?

Twitch

Age of Empires III

Age of Empires IV