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It will definitely help to fall asleep but not really staying asleep. Just experienced 13 days of insomnia earlier this February, exhausting myself mentally/physically practically every day to sleep yet waking up after 1-3hrs and wide awake the rest of the night. Had to read about sleep hygiene for the first time as I never had more than 2-3 days of insomnia in the past.
Diphenhydramine definitely helped to fall asleep and slightly helped to stay asleep but I didn't want to solve this with medicine; sex before bed helped to fall/stay asleep. Reading before bed slightly helped to fall asleep. Haven't really tried breathing exercises before bed although did some meditation which didn't seem to help much. Cold showers after working out seemed to help also. I'm trying the CBT-I therapy thing based on what I read online which is partly what dolan mentioned, including sleep restriction. I guess most insomnia comes from anxiety, stress, and PTSD issues, so currently working on these although we have momuuu here who seems to have an easy solution
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Yeah I had a short insomniac period a while back which resulted in rather nice EU time-friendly streams. Part of me misses that.
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0.5mg melatonin under the tongue for sleep onset insomnia.
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Jam wrote:0.5mg melatonin under the tongue for sleep onset insomnia.

didn't bother trying since according to friends it just seems to help you fall asleep, while my main issue is staying asleep. Bought GABA which didn't seem to do anything. Ashwagandha seems to be slightly working though
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The ol' OTC cocktail: four servings of NyQuil, double dose sleepytime tea, two Tylenol PMs, and a tall shot mixture of whiskey, lemon juice, and honey
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While I'm sure it works the idea is to be able to somewhat function the next morning. Tried 3 different herbal teas with honey though including chamomile and valerian, didn't do anything
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Jam wrote:0.5mg melatonin under the tongue for sleep onset insomnia.

didn't bother trying since according to friends it just seems to help you fall asleep, while my main issue is staying asleep. Bought GABA which didn't seem to do anything. Ashwagandha seems to be slightly working though
GABA doesn't cross the blood-brain barrier. Phenibut is essentially a modified GABA molecule which does. 200-300mg is sufficient, 2 hours before needed. As with any drug that activate GABA receptors, tolerance and dependency can result from long term continuous use.
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Jam wrote:
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Jam wrote:0.5mg melatonin under the tongue for sleep onset insomnia.

didn't bother trying since according to friends it just seems to help you fall asleep, while my main issue is staying asleep. Bought GABA which didn't seem to do anything. Ashwagandha seems to be slightly working though
GABA doesn't cross the blood-brain barrier. Phenibut is essentially a modified GABA molecule which does. 200-300mg is sufficient, 2 hours before needed. As with any drug that activate GABA receptors, tolerance and dependency can result from long term continuous use.

well I read it does through the intestine I believe and few research seemed to back that, but I just tried one evening at the beginning. Read about phenibut but I must have read about the dependency issue hence why I didn't buy it. I don't believe that plants like ashwagandha which indirectly works on GABA cause any tolerance/dependency though
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Yeah, for some melatonin might be enough, but for others it may have no effect.

Long-term sleep deprivation can eventually lead to anxiety, creating a vicious circle in which lack of sleep leads to heightened anxiety and anxiety, a state of mental alertness, leads to incapacity to fall asleep, stay asleep and sleep soundly.

If things get to this point and they become a chronic issue, I don't think you'll be able to manage it with plant tea, booze or melatonin.

If panic attacks have already occurred, you might need to see a professional that can prescribe anxiolytics.

You should give soft remedies a chance first, though, make some lifestyle changes and see if things improve.

Sleep disorders seem to be very common nowadays, not sure what's happening but I've seen quite a few stable and upbeat people having sleep and anxiety issues. Must be that the current state of the world keeps people living suspended over a chasm of uncertainty.
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Dolan wrote:If things get to this point and they become a chronic issue, I don't think you'll be able to manage it with plant tea, booze or melatonin.

You're not drinkin enough plant tea! Enough can knock anyone out.

Dolan wrote:Sleep disorders seem to be very common nowadays, not sure what's happening but I've seen quite a few stable and upbeat people having sleep and anxiety issues. Must be that the current state of the world keeps people living suspended over a chasm of uncertainty.

My money's on technology, screen time, lack of purpose, too much freedom, uncertainty.

I agree with all of your points in this thread. You have good things to say.
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Dolan you are very helpful in this thread - kudos to you.
When I was younger I had trouble falling asleep and more importantly staying asleep. I have tried everything over the course of my life.

From my experience, I would only use prescription meds (even things like melatonin) as a last resort. They may help but only in the short term, one has to address the root cause of their restlessness and not the symptoms.
Wake up early, work hard and find some peace in life is what helped me... then again I am getting old and can fall asleep sitting straight up now.
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I do envy the sleep of the old naturalists. I doubt it was ever much of a problem before artificial light. Millions of years of circadian rythym and biological response disrupted by some bright rectangles!
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benj89 wrote:although we have momuuu here who seems to have an easy solution

On the contrary. I just think that sometimes its better to accept that you are a person that doesnt fall asleep easily than to try to use all sorts of shit to fall asleep. And then, if there is stress causing the lack of sleep then probably try to solve the stress.

Actually Ive had a seriously stressful period in life which also greatly influenced sleeping. The quietness just gives stress free road. I 'dealt' with it by only going to bed if I was absolutely tired as shit. The lack of sleep as a result was better than lying on your bed with negative thoughts for hours.

And if all else fails, I suppose medicin can be a last resort. But first go see a specialist imo. I just oppose the way callen and the ear talk about using shit to fall asleep.
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momuuu wrote: I just oppose the way callen and the ear talk about using shit to fall asleep.

Then you obviously didn't read the entire thread where I said
deleted_user wrote:Reliance on any addling substance, OTC or legal or not will likely produce some sort of dependence. Sleep is one of those natural things, heavy on rhythm. Go to sleep and wake up at the same times. No screen time 15 minutes before bed. I have even used meditation to my benefit before. Wake up to natural light, drink a glass of water in the morning, etc.

There just seems to be a presumption about my daily habits I'm willing to perpetuate, because, why not?
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GABA doesn't cross the blood-brain barrier. Phenibut is essentially a modified GABA molecule which does. 200-300mg is sufficient, 2 hours before needed. As with any drug that activate GABA receptors, tolerance and dependency can result from long term continuous use.

well I read it does through the intestine I believe and few research seemed to back that, but I just tried one evening at the beginning. Read about phenibut but I must have read about the dependency issue hence why I didn't buy it. I don't believe that plants like ashwagandha which indirectly works on GABA cause any tolerance/dependency though
I think it's really overstated because of these fools who abuse it and take grams of it every day to get high. I've been taking 200-300mg a day MWF for the last 3 weeks and MTWTS last week and haven't had noticeable issues. I find that get get tired around 10pm and fall asleep in 1-2 hours, but also wake up early without feeling groggy. But I'm not using it for sleep, although I do have sleep onset issues. L-theanine is also a good one.
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well I read it does through the intestine I believe and few research seemed to back that, but I just tried one evening at the beginning. Read about phenibut but I must have read about the dependency issue hence why I didn't buy it. I don't believe that plants like ashwagandha which indirectly works on GABA cause any tolerance/dependency though
I think it's really overstated because of these fools who abuse it and take grams of it every day to get high. I've been taking 200-300mg a day MWF for the last 3 weeks and MTWTS last week and haven't had noticeable issues. I find that get get tired around 10pm and fall asleep in 1-2 hours, but also wake up early without feeling groggy. But I'm not using it for sleep, although I do have sleep onset issues. L-theanine is also a good one.

Yea I've read good stuff about L-theanine supplements, I'll probably try that soon
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kami_ryu wrote:hey guys what's nyquil?

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i like to fall as sleep to youtube, usually the type of videos that are less about the actual video itself and more about the audio so I just listen to it and then drift off.
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music can be good too, just as long as you dont listen to super hype music lol


Also have some kind of herbal tea before bed
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kami_ryu wrote:
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kami_ryu wrote:hey guys what's nyquil?

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what did I just watch and should I be concerned
Whenever I feel concerned I just take two Tide pods and I feel much better.
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JulyBurnsOrange wrote:i like to fall as sleep to youtube, usually the type of videos that are less about the actual video itself and more about the audio so I just listen to it and then drift off.

I used to do the same, every night I would start Star Wars 3 (6), turn away from the TV and close my eyes. Today I sometimes do the YouTube thing and what's really interesting about that is to see what kind of video you wake up to in the morning :)

Your "recommended videos" will also show some interesting stuff.
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