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gibson wrote:I feel like 11th best university in Australia is kinda like being the 11th best at seeing in a group of legally blind people

Unless Australia basically garantuees that all universities are truly university level. 11th best university in NL is about the same as best university in terms of the quality of education. The 'difference' would merely be prestige in terms of their research department. Not all countries run their shit like the USA does.
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Muh USA >:(

Need 500 harvards, stat!

Nah but for-profit colleges are a plague and need to be dealt with accordingly.
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momuuu wrote:
gibson wrote:I feel like 11th best university in Australia is kinda like being the 11th best at seeing in a group of legally blind people

Unless Australia basically garantuees that all universities are truly university level. 11th best university in NL is about the same as best university in terms of the quality of education. The 'difference' would merely be prestige in terms of their research department. Not all countries run their shit like the USA does.
You’re completely right and I for one truely believe that Harvard doesn’t provide a better education then most basic state universities, but saying that wouldn’t push sirmuskets buttons would it?
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gibson wrote:
momuuu wrote:
gibson wrote:I feel like 11th best university in Australia is kinda like being the 11th best at seeing in a group of legally blind people

Unless Australia basically garantuees that all universities are truly university level. 11th best university in NL is about the same as best university in terms of the quality of education. The 'difference' would merely be prestige in terms of their research department. Not all countries run their shit like the USA does.
You’re completely right and I for one truely believe that Harvard doesn’t provide a better education then most basic state universities, but saying that wouldn’t push sirmuskets buttons would it?

I'm not sure. In the USA it sure as hell matters to what university you are going - at least I'd guess there's a serious difference between the best and the worst one. But in Australia, we can't be sure.

To ridicule sirmusket one doesn't need to represent lies.
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You’re completely right and I for one truely believe that Harvard doesn’t provide a better education then most basic state universities, but saying that wouldn’t push sirmuskets buttons would it?

I'm not sure. In the USA it sure as hell matters to what university you are going - at least I'd guess there's a serious difference between the best and the worst one. But in Australia, we can't be sure.

To ridicule sirmusket one doesn't need to represent lies.
even in the US it doesn’t, at least not for undergrad. If you’re getting a PhD or masters it does. Now if you’re Ivy League you have the advantage of being heavily recruited out of school even with a bachelors, but outside of that all most jobs want to see is a piece of paper that says bachelors degree.
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Your network is better and there is a significant difference in university prestige. I help students to make a choice between Leiden :love: -Delft-Erasmus and Utrecht uni. My advice would be to go on an exchange program to an Ivy League or to a foreign top 1 university which gets you that namedrop on your resume. That's how I got through the Samsung hiring process: exchange programme Leiden to SNU*.

Within Europe, universities in the North attract many students from East European countries for this very reason. There is also a lot of difference between a degree of a university of Applied Sciences and a proper university in Asia. Perhaps comparable with city colleges in the States? An Aussie mate kept mentioning he'd gone to 'ANU' in "Caaambrah" so he's brainwashed me to believe that ''ANU'' is a good AU uni? :unsure:

*SNU= Snuden Uni. :P
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I just hope my degree can get me a job canning big jars of Prego pasta sauce, and maybe some to take home.
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Can u shed some light on what city colleges in the States are compared to say, Texas State?
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Radix_Lecti wrote:Can u shed some light on what city colleges in the States are compared to say, Texas State?

I'll try my best.

There are really probably three "tiers" of general, post-secondary education here, for undergraduate degrees.

1) Ivy League and cohorts, international acclaim
2) Public state and private colleges, national acclaim
3) Community colleges and trade schools (vocational), regional acclaim

Of course there is really a spectrum in all of this but this is just "in general" and mostly for fun. I'm very bored. In tier 1 you have decorated doctors at the fronts of their fields teaching students. In tier 2 you have less decorated (but still decorated) doctors teaching students. In tier 3 you have some doctors, some masters, and some purely experienced professionals teaching students.

In all of this is just an undergraduate degree, and so the material is rather standardized, and so the difference between tier 1 and tier 2 is, IMO, very little. Tier 3 is a bit different because it isn't trying to be a university, it's only trying to be the most practical in terms of cost:degree:job ratio, often they provide many 2-year degrees. They're strictly local.

The largest distinction comes, as gibson said, when one pursues a post-graduate degree. Here, specialty plays a larger role than before. Research aptitude, volume, experience, esteem, and prestige of specific departments is important. In the arts it's about working with accomplished, big name, modern artists and making connections. In the sciences it is about research laboratories, industry standing of professors, publishes, etc. Because these sorts of things breed positive feedback loops, specific post-graduate programs from specific universities are more established than their respective undergraduate fields. You're approaching the business of academia, of which the term "business" is not exaggerated.

That being said, a lot of these really great post-graduate programs come from a large majority of state schools. A master's degree in engineering from Washington, Texas A&M, Iowa State, Nebraska are all respected. Sure, it's no MIT, but the tier 1 universities are the exception, not the rule here. There is intense, international competition. Really, what you want is just a well respected department, of which there are many across the nation.

I actually know very little about this, it's not something I've looked into really. Perhaps @Vinyanyérë can pitch in as he's been through both the undergraduate and post-graduate processes, each on opposite ends of the country no less!
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Very helpful. A student of mine wants to go to Texas State. What kind of recommendation would u give her? Old Miss? Stanford or TS? Or as u said another good state uni? I'm just concerned about, u know, Texans...
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why are you comparing texas state, ole miss and Stanford? at least stanford>vanderbilt>UT Austin would make more sense if you want to stick with these states/relatively large schools and all would be fine with the student you described I believe, especially stanford since they love save the planet profiles. That's considering she has a really solid application ofc
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I wouldn’t count on getting into stanford without a gpa above 4, a 33+ act and impressive extra curriculars. People with less have gotten in but they’re in the minority.
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benj89 wrote:why texas state, ole miss and Stanford? at least stanford>vanderbilt>UT Austin

She's considering these and Stanford was my suggestion bc. I know Leiden has or used to have a surplus of exchange credits with that uni. Basically I have no clear idea what would b best for her so im asking 4 ur advice ^_^
Nebraska? And stay in callen's dormroom?

Yeah I was worried about her application to ol' miss as well.
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Radix_Lecti wrote:
benj89 wrote:why texas state, ole miss and Stanford? at least stanford>vanderbilt>UT Austin

She's considering these and Stanford was my suggestion bc. I know Leiden has or used to have a surplus of exchange credits with that uni. Basically I have no clear idea what would b best for her so im asking 4 ur advice ^_^
Nebraska? And stay in callen's dormroom?

Yeah I was worried about her application to ol' miss as well.
she can come to the university of Tennessee and stay in my room :)
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gibson wrote:
Radix_Lecti wrote:
benj89 wrote:why texas state, ole miss and Stanford? at least stanford>vanderbilt>UT Austin

She's considering these and Stanford was my suggestion bc. I know Leiden has or used to have a surplus of exchange credits with that uni. Basically I have no clear idea what would b best for her so im asking 4 ur advice ^_^
Nebraska? And stay in callen's dormroom?

Yeah I was worried about her application to ol' miss as well.
she can come to the university of Tennessee and stay in my room :)

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yurashic wrote:There is no "smart" and no "dumb". There are no "life achievements" that really mean anything, "life achievements" are created by the society for the society.

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Radix_Lecti wrote:
benj89 wrote:why texas state, ole miss and Stanford? at least stanford>vanderbilt>UT Austin

She's considering these and Stanford was my suggestion bc. I know Leiden has or used to have a surplus of exchange credits with that uni. Basically I have no clear idea what would b best for her so im asking 4 ur advice ^_^
Nebraska? And stay in callen's dormroom?

Yeah I was worried about her application to ol' miss as well.

I’m not sure if I understand the situation, but if she's considering going there for a bachelor degree from europe she should seek advice from an admission consultant (I'd stay away from companies that charge a lot and do poor work). That's a job in itself and there are many variables to consider, don't just seek advice on internet forums when there are 4 years of her life and a lot of money involved (although she should look for scholarships). With the current situation, I would actually recommend going to the UK/Ireland instead of the US for an english taught bachelor and the US only for certain grad schools

What you described about Stanford and Ole Miss is one of these weird things about europeans: they have 0 clue about american colleges (including school recruiters).
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Wake Forest is good 10/10
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deleted_user wrote:University of Nebraska Omaha is probably the best university in the world.

it's Omaha, beach!
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benj89 wrote:one of these weird things about europeans: they have 0 clue about american colleges (including school recruiters).

To clarify: Im her teacher/''student counsellor.''
In the last 2 years of sec. ed. students pick a teacher who they want to be their 'mentor'. I have 28 of these students in my care.Most go to Dutch unis but she has got relatives in Texas who she is visiting this summer and next year she is going to have to pick unis. Personally I'd advice people to study in China for a few years but she 'loves' Americans. Dunno why ^_^ . She's 17 so I will show her gibsons dance video and relay his offer. :P

im not a recruiter just a fun teacher with corporate experience, that's why some students pick me as their mentor.
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@Radix_Lecti University of Michigan is a really great university located in one of the best places to live in the states. Ann Arbor is known for being quite liberal. There are a lot of similarities with Ann Arbor and Amsterdam. People ride their bikes around, there is a lively downtown, there are several parks, a lot of art (their annual art fair is amazing), weed is decriminalized (they even have an annual hash bash!), most people are very open, people recycle, there are several community programs, and many other similarities. It's also often listed in the top cities in the US to live in. There is a lot of diversity and not a lot of crime. There's only about 100,000 people living there so it still feels "small" in comparison to larger cities, but there's a lot to do there.

Bonus: It's in one of the most beautiful states in the US.

Possible downsides: higher cost of living, there are some dangerous wildlife such as wolves, cougars, coyotes in the area, there is a lot of snow during winter, gun laws are fairly lax in Michigan, there are a lot of conservatives in the state - it's a "swing state", finding a job can be difficult, traffic can be bad.
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is it hard to get into Michigan? I recognise the M logo from watching football vs those dudes with gold helmets or are they the ones with gold helmets, I forgot. But isn't it an Ivy League uni?
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lejend wrote:
XeeleeFlower wrote:Possible downsides: there are a lot of conservatives in the state


Wooooooooow :shock:
Please note that I said "possible downsides". Due to Radix's description:
This is an upper class, snowflakey, liberal, semi-socialist, save-the-planet girl
This could be a downside for her if she doesn't wish to engage with conservatives.

Radix_Lecti wrote:is it hard to get into Michigan? I recognise the M logo from watching football vs those dudes with gold helmets or are they the ones with gold helmets, I forgot. But isn't it an Ivy League uni?
It can be difficult to get into it. Having a high GPA is very important. It's not Ivy League, but it's comparable. It's often among the Ivy League schools when you look at rankings.
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