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An Important Question Need Answering

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With all the crazy events happening in the world with terrorism and me trying to figure it all out by listening to the mainstream and minor media sources leaves me wondering ... who was the founder of ISIS?
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According to @fightinfrenchman it's @momuuu
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If we are going to blame members here instead of having a real discussion, this thread isn't going to last long I'm afraid :chinese:
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I thought it was Barack's fault ... hmmm... :thinking:
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No, definitely Jerom
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Mad_Hound wrote:I thought it was Barack's fault ... hmmm... :thinking:

Bad goy!
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Ye there's some evidence it could be someone on these forums, no hard proof though
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The group has had various names since it was founded in 1999 by Jordanian radical Abu Musab al-Zarqawi under the name Jamāʻat al-Tawឥīd wa-al-Jihād (lit. "The Organisation of Monotheism and Jihad").[38] When in October 2004 al-Zarqawi swore loyalty to Osama bin Laden, he renamed the group Tanẓīm Qāʻidat al-Jihād fÄ« Bilād al-Rāfidayn (lit. "The Organisation of Jihad's Base in Mesopotamia"), commonly known as al-Qaeda in Iraq or AQI.[215][216] Although the group never called itself al-Qaeda in Iraq, this remained its informal name for many years.[217]

In January 2006, AQI merged with several other Sunni insurgent groups to form the Mujahideen Shura Council (MSC).[218] After al-Zarqawi was killed in June 2006, the MSC merged in October 2006 with several more insurgent factions to form a new group, ad-Dawlah al-ʻIraq al-Islāmiyah, which translates as the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI).[219] The ISI was led by Abu Omar al-Baghdadi and Abu Ayyub al-Masri,[220] who were killed in a US–Iraqi operation in April 2010, after which Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi became the group's new leader.


In January 2007, US President George W. Bush ordered an extra 20,000 soldiers into Iraq (‘the surge’), mostly into Baghdad and Al Anbar Governorate, to help provide security and support reconciliation between communities, and explained decision predominantly by pointing at the, “outrageous acts of murder aimed at innocent Iraqis” by “AlQaeda terrorists”.[70]

31 May 2007, in Baghdad’s Amariyah district, gunmen shot randomly in the air, claiming through loudspeakers that Amariyah was under control of the Islamic State of Iraq. Armed residents are said to have resisted, set the men’s cars on fire, and called the Americans for help; the Americans came in the afternoon, and “it got quiet for a while”, according to one resident.[45]

Between March and August 2007, US and Iraqi government forces fought the Battle of Baqubah in the Diyala Governorate against AQI, "to eliminate Al-Qaeda in Iraq terrorists operating in Baqubah and its surrounding areas",[71] resulting in 227 AQI fighters being killed and 100 arrested, and 31 US and 12 Iraqi soldiers being killed. By July 7,000 US troops and 2,500 Iraqi troops were fighting AQI/ISI in that battle, the US army claimed that 80 percent of AQI leaders had fled the area.[72]

The US troop surge went into full effect in June 2007, and supplied the military with more manpower for operations targeting Islamic State of Iraq. According to US Colonel Donald Bacon, 19 senior al Qaeda in Iraq operatives were killed or captured by US and Iraqi Security Forces in July; 25 in August; 29 in September; and 45 in October.[73]

By October 2007, US military were believed to have dealt devastating blows to AQI, but a senior intelligence official advised against a declaration of victory over the group, because AQI retained the ability for surprise and catastrophic attacks.[46]

In Operation Phantom Phoenix, over January–July 2008, the multi-national force in Iraq attempted to hunt down the last 200 Al-Qaeda extremists in the eastern Diyala Governorate, which resulted in 900 ‘insurgents’ being killed and 2,500 captured, and 59 US, 776 Iraqi, three Georgian and one UK soldiers killed. By May 2008, according to Newsweek, US and Iraqi military offensives had driven AQI from Al Anbar and Diyala Provinces, leaving AQI holed up in and around the northern city of Mosul.[36]


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With the collapse of discussions about extending the stay of U.S. troops,[34][35] President Obama announced the full withdrawal of troops from Iraq, as previously scheduled, on 21 October 2011.[35] The U.S. retained an embassy in Baghdad[35] with some 17,000 personnel,[36] consulates in Basra, Mosul and Kirkuk, which have been allocated more than 1,000 staff each,[36] and between 4,000 and 5,000 defense contractors.[35] President Obama and al-Maliki outlined a broad agenda for post-war cooperation without American troops in Iraq during a joint press conference on 12 December 2011 at the White House.


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The Iraqi insurgency, later referred to as the Iraq Crisis, escalated[14] after the withdrawal of U.S. troops in 2011, resulting in violent conflict with the central government, as well as sectarian violence among Iraq's religious groups.

The insurgency was a direct continuation following the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003. After the U.S. military's withdrawal, the level of violence rose[15] as Sunni militant groups stepped up attacks targeting the country's majority Shia population to undermine confidence in the Shia-led government and its efforts to protect people without American backup.[16]


In a speech on 22 July 2012, Al-Baghdadi announced a return of ISI to Iraqi strongholds they had been driven from by US forces and allied militias in 2007 and 2008 (see section 2007–2008, US and others fighting AQI/ISI), and a campaign to free imprisoned AQI members, and urged Iraqi tribal leaders to send their sons “to join the ranks of the mujahideen (fighters) in defense of your religion and honor 
 The majority of the Sunnis in Iraq support al-Qaida and are waiting for its return”.[92] In that speech, Baghdadi also predicted a wave of 40 attacks across Iraq the next day,[93] in which 100 were killed and 300 wounded.[citation needed]


In August 2011, following the outbreak of the Syrian Civil War, ISI, under the leadership of al-Baghdadi, sent a mission into Syria. Under the name Jabhat an-Nuṣrah li-Ahli ash-Shām (or al-Nusra Front), it established a large presence in Sunni-majority Raqqa, Idlib, Deir ez-Zor, and Aleppo provinces. In April 2013, al-Baghdadi decreed the reunification of the Syrian al-Nusra Front with ISI to form the "Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant" (ISIL). However, Abu Mohammad al-Julani and Ayman al-Zawahiri, the leaders of al-Nusra and al-Qaeda respectively, rejected the merger. After an eight-month power struggle, al-Qaeda cut all ties with ISIL by February 2014, citing its failure to consult and "notorious intransigence".[4][223]

In early 2014, ISIL drove Iraqi government forces out of key cities in its Anbar campaign,[51] which was followed by the capture of Mosul[52] and the Sinjar massacre.[53] The loss of control almost caused a collapse of the Iraqi government and prompted a renewal of US military action in Iraq. In Syria, the group has conducted ground attacks on both the Syrian Arab Army and rebel factions.


An American-led intervention in Iraq started on 15 June 2014, when President Barack Obama ordered US forces to be dispatched to the region, in response to offensives in Iraq conducted by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL).


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http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-t ... ke-n767581

Looks like one of them has been found
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I found hard proof and it's Jerom!
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does donating 85 bucks reduce the chance to not get banned? @pecelot
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Anyway, nuancing isn't your forte, so I'll agree with you like I would with a 8 year old: violence is bad, don't do hard drugs and stay in school Benj98
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absolutely not :chinese:
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Nice thread..

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