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legion wrote:Speaking from an Australian perspective, we banned firearms after the Port Arthur Massacre and have had nothing like that ever happen since. Although now it is really only motorcycle gangs or other crime syndicates (sometimes the odd criminal) who are known to carry firearms, so the only people with firearms are criminals.. or the police or if you apply for a license (we can apply for a firearm license but this is a very rigorous procedure and very expensive and police literally come and check regularly that it is locked in a gun-safe.)

Do you think removing guns would relieve the crimes related to gun violence in Switzerland or make it worse?

fightinfrenchman wrote:

legion wrote:Speaking from an Australian perspective, we banned firearms after the Port Arthur Massacre and have had nothing like that ever happen since. Although now it is really only motorcycle gangs or other crime syndicates (sometimes the odd criminal) who are known to carry firearms, so the only people with firearms are criminals.. or the police or if you apply for a license (we can apply for a firearm license but this is a very rigorous procedure and very expensive and police literally come and check regularly that it is locked in a gun-safe.)

Do you think removing guns would relieve the crimes related to gun violence in Switzerland or make it worse?

Well I do favor stricter gun laws in the U.S. it's a much different situation because it is so much easier to smuggle illegal firearms into the U.S. than doing the same in Australia.

legion wrote:

fightinfrenchman wrote:

legion wrote:Speaking from an Australian perspective, we banned firearms after the Port Arthur Massacre and have had nothing like that ever happen since. Although now it is really only motorcycle gangs or other crime syndicates (sometimes the odd criminal) who are known to carry firearms, so the only people with firearms are criminals.. or the police or if you apply for a license (we can apply for a firearm license but this is a very rigorous procedure and very expensive and police literally come and check regularly that it is locked in a gun-safe.)

Do you think removing guns would relieve the crimes related to gun violence in Switzerland or make it worse?

Well I do favor stricter gun laws in the U.S. it's a much different situation because it is so much easier to smuggle illegal firearms into the U.S. than doing the same in Australia.

Yes I totally agree, my brother actually met a Bosnian man on a building site here in Sydney the other day who used to smuggle guns (in Bosnia, where his entire family was killed besides his mother who literally forced him to move to Australia) so I definitely think it's a universal problem. What is the most powerful weapon available for purchase over the counter in the USA?

legion wrote:

fightinfrenchman wrote:

legion wrote:Speaking from an Australian perspective, we banned firearms after the Port Arthur Massacre and have had nothing like that ever happen since. Although now it is really only motorcycle gangs or other crime syndicates (sometimes the odd criminal) who are known to carry firearms, so the only people with firearms are criminals.. or the police or if you apply for a license (we can apply for a firearm license but this is a very rigorous procedure and very expensive and police literally come and check regularly that it is locked in a gun-safe.)

Do you think removing guns would relieve the crimes related to gun violence in Switzerland or make it worse?

Well I do favor stricter gun laws in the U.S. it's a much different situation because it is so much easier to smuggle illegal firearms into the U.S. than doing the same in Australia.

Yes I totally agree, my brother actually met a Bosnian man on a building site here in Sydney the other day who used to smuggle guns (in Bosnia, where his entire family was killed besides his mother who literally forced him to move to Australia) so I definitely think it's a universal problem. What is the most powerful weapon available for purchase over the counter in the USA?

legion wrote:I have seen some instances of people carrying what looked like assault rifles/military-style rifles (i.e Oregon) and wasn't sure so I thought I'd ask.

fightinfrenchman wrote:

legion wrote:I have seen some instances of people carrying what looked like assault rifles/military-style rifles (i.e Oregon) and wasn't sure so I thought I'd ask.

I think those are banned in more liberal states but not federally.

iNcog wrote:I can't be fucked to argue this (otherwise interesting) topic with internet liberal warriors hiding behind confirmation bias and refusing to see the other side of the issue.

Anyone arguing to take away rights from citizens to give it to the government needs to have very solid arguments; they are otherwise merely fascists or communists. Just look at what the French governments have done to France over the past few decades- transforming a once proud country into a fucking shithole.

iNcog wrote:I can't be fucked to argue this (otherwise interesting) topic with internet liberal warriors hiding behind confirmation bias and refusing to see the other side of the issue.

Anyone arguing to take away rights from citizens to give it to the government needs to have very solid arguments; they are otherwise merely fascists or communists. Just look at what the French governments have done to France over the past few decades- transforming a once proud country into a fucking shithole.

iNcog wrote:I can't be fucked to argue this (otherwise interesting) topic with internet liberal warriors hiding behind confirmation bias and refusing to see the other side of the issue.

Anyone arguing to take away rights from citizens to give it to the government needs to have very solid arguments; they are otherwise merely fascists or communists. Just look at what the French governments have done to France over the past few decades- transforming a once proud country into a fucking shithole.

ovi12 wrote:

fightinfrenchman wrote:

legion wrote:I have seen some instances of people carrying what looked like assault rifles/military-style rifles (i.e Oregon) and wasn't sure so I thought I'd ask.

I think those are banned in more liberal states but not federally.

I'm a liberal, but the juxtaposition in that sentence is hilarious

niedhalf wrote:well as far as i know the most cases of death by fire arms in switzerland are suicides so....crimes related to violence with knifes involved are much higher then the "guns related" ones.

iNcog wrote:I can't be fucked to argue this (otherwise interesting) topic with internet liberal warriors hiding behind confirmation bias and refusing to see the other side of the issue.

Anyone arguing to take away rights from citizens to give it to the government needs to have very solid arguments; they are otherwise merely fascists or communists. Just look at what the French governments have done to France over the past few decades- transforming a once proud country into a fucking shithole.

iNcog wrote:

Jerom wrote:

iNcog wrote:I can't be fucked to argue this (otherwise interesting) topic with internet liberal warriors hiding behind confirmation bias and refusing to see the other side of the issue.

Anyone arguing to take away rights from citizens to give it to the government needs to have very solid arguments; they are otherwise merely fascists or communists. Just look at what the French governments have done to France over the past few decades- transforming a once proud country into a fucking shithole.

claims people opposing guns have confirmation bias while strongly for guns.

10/10 thread.

Don't you realize how retarded and ignorant it is to claim that someone has a confirmation bias because they have an idea which is different than your own, or what is widely accepted?

There are many good arguments out there which would advocate banning firearms, however whenever I have this debate with people, they never come up. Instead the arguments which I find are communist ideas and people hiding behind "you're wrong because you're a fucking stupid american" which Europeans love. That's what these debates often come to, instead of rational and intelligent argumentation.

I'm not saying that you have confirmation bias because you "oppose guns". I'm saying that quite a lot of the (european) idiots on the internet which DO oppose guns are 110% more guilty of confirmation bias than some of the pro-gun advocates. However the idea that someone with a different idea than you could actually be right is waaaaay over the top of most peoples' heads.

iNcog wrote:I can't be fucked to argue this (otherwise interesting) topic with internet liberal warriors hiding behind confirmation bias and refusing to see the other side of the issue.

Anyone arguing to take away rights from citizens to give it to the government needs to have very solid arguments; they are otherwise merely fascists or communists. Just look at what the French governments have done to France over the past few decades- transforming a once proud country into a fucking shithole.