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Yeah in v1.5 they're very very strong

But for v1.6 the game game will be changing from being post industrial units to vet units without arsnal ups which makes mortars considerably worse given that the TC hp doesn't change. The round win condition will also be changing from killing the TC to killing all units and buildings. And if necessary, mortar population count can be increased from 4 to what it should be even in sup (5). Boats will also receive population costs (1 pop per 100 res that the ship costs in accordance with all other units)

Are you considering making several parts viable so that players may choose what options suit them best? I love the fact that you're constantly improving the scenario, though to be perfectly honest I liked the first versions more

PATCH NOTES V1,6 Download available on first post.

Gameplay / Mechanic Changes:
-An extra shipment is no longer awarded for going first on round 1. Whilst going first is worse than going second (because you have to commit shipments and approach the enemy TC first) it wasn't disadvantageous enough to warrant an entire extra shipment.
-The winner of the previous round now always goes first in the next one (except on round 1 where there is no previous winner)
-Going first on round 1 is now resolved by a coin flip at the start of the game (though I have added functionality for a 5 hussar fight to decide this but it takes too long and feels a bit weird so it's currently NOT turned on)
-Except for the Sioux, there is a population limit of 30 for ALL civs (no change from v1,5). This drastically slows the rate at which reinforcements need to be sent leaving much more TIME TO MICRO. Fewer units also makes micro more rewarding (and way more fun) and finally, this changes makes army composition much much more thought provoking (sure you can overpop but then you're stuck with that army for a long time!)
-A round is won by destroying your opponents Town Center (no changes from previous versions)
-But due to the strength of all-in siege cheese, units instead now have veteran/elite/disciplined stats (and all the relevant shadow techs). I also like this change because it makes the power level of each unit what you'd expect from supremacy (which I think is important; new formats should strive to be the same Age of Empires we all know and love, just with different victory conditions.
-Because of this, the game no longer needs to be set to the post industrial age (unless the players WANT too in which case all previous functionality e.g., Euro arsenal techs for Native & Asian civs, guard xbow & pikes, etc, are retained as normal)
-Sioux have Champion Dog Soldiers (industrial age stats)
-Aztecs have Champion Skull Knights
-Germany starts with 8 fewer shipments to offset their free uhlan (4 per industrial age shipment, 3 per fortress)

Other changes:
-New map layout!
-The 60 second timer at the start of each round which prompts you to send a shipment now refers to players by name (instead of P1 & P2)
-Resigning now correctly ends the game and makes your opponent win
-The homecity is no longer ever disabled. This means that either player can choose to go first on any round even if they don't have too (though it will not usually ever be advantagious to do so unless you are a god that can predict to send a shipment just slightly before your opponent does - though most of time trying to do this will just result in losing your going second advantage...) I made this change because disabling a players homecity stops both players from looking at the cards left in it thus making it harder to plan/stratagise

PATCH NOTES V1,7

-Deck REBALANCE #01 (can be seen on the first post).
-Skirmishers, dragoons, cavalry archers & uhlan now correctly have vet stats (previously unupgraded)
-Dog soldiers, skull knights & flying crows now correctly shadow tech to have the stats they should for the industrial age

Great, looking forward to try it online!

The deck that i proposed still hasnt been added.

because its shit

Gren Rush OP

Really cool that you made the scenario, adds a whole nother level to the game

tedere12 wrote:because its shit

Well, it still looks better than your face.

An idea that popped into my mind, as well as other viewers', during today's stream regarding Sioux was to give them a fire pit. How that would work is basically placing it behind a TC with a couple of vills on it (let's say 5) and perhaps trying to allow the siege dance only. It could be destroyed, vills could be killed, though each round they would be renewed. You could also tweak that with:
— vill shipments from HC
— food shipments from HC to then create vills from TC (ideally instantly)
— food stockpiled at the beginning of the game, something like 1500, to be able to create vills over time (with the ability to make all 15 in one round for a siege timing or spread them out, you know)
That would potentially fix Sioux siege problem, as in normal games it's rectified exactly by the fire pit. Also, vills shouldn't take unnecessary pop space, since Sioux have 200 inherently.
@Interjection

Btw. what age is preferable in 1.7? Fortress, right?
Also I accidentally set the age to Post-Imperial and it gave players 130 pop (probably due to Immigrants technology) — perhaps worth fixing, perhaps not

@Interjection

@Interjection

I always play in post-industrial. Is fortress/colonial any better?

It affects units' stats — taking down a TC is way easier, while artillery is of less value in Post-Industrial Colonial would be quite strange with age 4 cannons, so I guess either Fortress or Industrial should be optimal.

Thanks for the post about the Sioux @pecelot

With regards to the starting age, the age does not need to be changed. Start in discovery as usual and all units will receive vet/elite/disciplined stats. You can set it to Post Indust for guard/royal guard units but that is not how I will be balancing/intending the game to be played going forward

Damn, this is a VERY cool idea. Congrats!
Have you thought on adding trees and decorations to the map? Might make some units too powerful, maybe.

Quick question, does anyone know what the invisible tapir is called in the scenario editor?

Interjection wrote:Quick question, does anyone know what the invisible tapir is called in the scenario editor?

IGC Target

Thanks :). Also, what is it called when I am trying to modify protounit? Looks like they decided giving it the same name would be far to simple

Interjection wrote:Thanks :). Also, what is it called when I am trying to modify protounit? Looks like they decided giving it the same name would be far to simple

It.. is? The effect is called "Modify Protounit".

Hmm...

Any ideas?

I found it! In the drop down menu, it's just called 'Target'. Thanks for the help anyway :)

Ahh, that's what you mean. Yeah, seems to be called just "Target" there.

Nvm, beat me to it.

Alright I think the final version of Cards is finished, no more major mechanic changes at least - I've tested everything that needs testing so any future changes will be strictly balance related .

All that's left to do now is start tracking game stats for the future ELO Ladder, can anyone help me get this started? The scenario name is: Cards Rated V1

I heard the dev work has essentially been done before I even started Cards

Once this is in place I'll release the final version & patch notes!

Also this is my 100th post, how fitting.

I'm afraid I don't have good news on that front. As Bucket has left the team, the ladder project is essentially dead right now and will not be easy to revive, even if we decide to get back on it.
I'm all for including a separate Cards ELO, but I can't really give an ETA on when this might happen. Sorry