Autumn 2017 Betting discussion thread

[Goodspeed]

It was a combination of lack of effort/lack of will to play the series and him playing on a friend's PC he had never played on which may or may not have caused the former.
Like I said neither option was ideal but I deemed this the least unfair. Apologies to all who missed out.

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It is very simple. Gambling (odds) assumes that the teams or players are trying their best to win. If they aren't, then it shouldn't be able to be bet because the odds aren't legitimate.

no thats not true. gambling is just not that simple. the reasons:"players not trying their best" or "players lacking effort", are just no reasons to cancel a bet at all (especially when theres no official confirmation except that the player who lost said:"i wasnt trying"). a good reason would be: "players initially manipulated the bet, if for their own goods or for someone else", or "players agreed on the outcome before hand"(which kinda goes under manipulation aswell).

I don't think there is any suspicion that bets were manipulated, but it's clear the outcome was, which is the perfect and only reason to void all bets.

[Kaiserklein]

Something I didn't read here (though I haven't read everything): if you can just decide to play bad on purpose in a betting match, and the bets aren't cancelled, it means we have no way to prevent match fixing.
Then I could just tell queen to bet 1000 on 3-0 (with odds of 200 or whatever) in the favor of whatever captain that I play in ro64, and go pure pikes in all 3 games and make no vils, and we would probably instantly win the event and get an easy $100...

On another topic: if we consider that the richard guy didn't even try to win (which he imo obviously didn't) a tourney match (especially betting + casted series), there should probably be measures taken, since I think there's now a rule against that?

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Then I could just tell queen to bet 1000 on 3-0 (with odds of 200 or whatever) in the favor of whatever captain that I play in ro64, and go pure pikes in all 3 games and make no vils, ...

Coincidentally, that's what the guy did, and then some!

You sure are into taking measures lately.

[milku3459]

Then I could just tell queen to bet 1000 on 3-0... we would probably instantly win the event and get an easy $100...

dammmmmn bonnie and clyde up in ah

[deleted_user0]

Then I could just tell queen to bet 1000 on 3-0... we would probably instantly win the event and get an easy $100...

dammmmmn bonnie and clyde up in ah

win 100 dollars and escape from the country... to Panama, away from the local forces. To play aoe together forever. How romantic.

[Kaiserklein]

You sure are into taking measures lately.

No, I'm not a fan of punishing people. Just saying it would be coherent

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Coherent – ESOC!?

[Goodspeed]

Bets have been opened for 5 round of 64 matches:

Stanley_Winston vs Mongobillione
Marco1698 vs swesweMAGIC
Risi123 vs duolckrad
Yurashic vs n0el
Kickass vs AdrianCarrot

Scheduling information can be found on your player sheets and/or on the stream schedule. Be advised Stanley_Winston vs Mongobillione is scheduled for 19 GMT tomorrow (Thursday), so make sure you get your bets in on time!

GL

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[richard]

It was a combination of lack of effort/lack of will to play the series and him playing on a friend's PC he had never played on which may or may not have caused the former.
Like I said neither option was ideal but I deemed this the least unfair. Apologies to all who missed out.

Hello Goodspeed,
Hello anyone else,

i am sorry, i just came back to the internet after 3 days of forced abstinence (because my internet provider cut the connection from saturday till wednesday). I saw that there were some discussions about the result of my tournament game vs Hidalgito (last saturday evening). Some explanations from my side:

- The circumstances were extremely bad. Friday i planned i would prepare my tourney games on saturday morning till afternoon, especially at least one civ other than russians. But on saturday morning when i awoke, my internet connection was cut. As i dont have homecities level higher than 10 offline, i coulndt prepare anything. I called a friend of mine, if i could play at his computer. We decided i should come at 19 gmt to install the game (the series should start at 20gmt). I thought i also could do one preparation game with spanish before starting the series. But the installation (from cd) was extremely slow, i dont know why. It took more than one hour till i finally could start the game, after getting help in the esoc-forum because there were problems with the installation on windows 10 which i didnt know about before. I already was really pissed off and nearly cancelled the series at that point.

- During the first game as spanish, just when i wanted to attack my enemy in his base, i was removed from the game by a windows update. I immediately wanted to get back in the game but was removed again. This happened 2 more times. Then i realized i had to confirm, that the windows update should ask again in 3 days. This was about 1 minute after i had been removed the first time. When i finally got back in the game, i only had 1 skirmisher left. That game was lost.

- The 2nd game i thought about picking russians. But i knew from agecommunity.com that Hidalgito had practised that matchup vs Marco1698 the day before. I also am not sure how to play this matchup with the current patch because dutch can build a lot of (cheaper) banks and send cm with the additional xp they get from that, then go to age III savely, which puts russia in a bad spot. So i decided to just mirror my opponent because i thought i could beat him by just being better than him.

- Because i did not have the opportunity to practise anything with dutch, i didnt have enough production capacity (no 2nd barracks or stable, which was a flaw of my build). I also didnt have a hotkey for ruyters set. So i couldnt really produce ruyters. All this lead to me not being able to spend my ressources as i normally would do. I really tried my best to win that game, but it just wasnt possible without being able to spend the ressources properly.

- I didnt know it was a betting match. If i would have known that, i probably would have said in the esoc-forum, that it had to be shifted to a different time. On my own computer i m sure i would have won that series (though that doesnt mean i in fact would have won it, ofc ...). I probably still wouldnt have played russians in the 2nd game if i would have known it was a betting match, because of the reasons i listed above.

Summary:
I definitely tried my best to win both games. Under the given circumstances i just couldnt beat Hidalgito, even if i tried my best. Especially that windows-update which basically deleted my army in the first game was extremy unlucky. My mismacro in the 2nd game was my fault. I simply should have built a 2nd barracks or ask for a short break to set my hotkey properly in order to produce more ruyters. I wouldnt have played russians vs his dutch. Under this circumstances, Hidalgito is the legitimate winner of our series because it is not the case that i didnt try my best to win that series. As i said: If you would have told me that it was a betting game, i would definitely havent played it on my friends computer, but on my own computer instead.

Thanks for understanding,
Richard

[Gendarme]

Wow. Thanks for the clarification!

[Kaiserklein]

Well that's... awkward.

(I never use any hotkey to produce units btw)

[musketeer925]

(I never use any hotkey to produce units btw)

:O

[Goodspeed]

Me neither. Except for vills

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I stack 10 000 every game.

[Gichtenlord]

I stack 10 000 every game.

Are you playing treaty?

[Kaiserklein]

Imo this kind of hotkey is essentially useless. Or at least it sounds weird that one would not be able to make a unit just because no hotkey is set.

[Goodspeed]

If you're used to doing things that way it would certainly be disruptive. In a stressful game you might opt out of making that unit altogether.

[richard]

Normally i dont do anything in this game without using a hotkey. Except for (attack-)move-commands. Every building i build and every unit i produce i use a hotkey for. The only exceptions are petards.

[Victor_swe]

Imo this kind of hotkey is essentially useless. Or at least it sounds weird that one would not be able to make a unit just because no hotkey is set.

I thought it was useless for about 10 years untill i finally tried with hotkeys.
Its not superimportant but u do improve a little bit

[Kaiserklein]

I don't think aoe is a game requiring so much apm that you would need hotkeys to make units. Or maybe in treaty because you spam units all the time, but that's another story

But anyway yeah, I guess if you're used to doing it, it can be annoying to make units without hotkeys. Not that I think it's enough to make you lose to someone 5 pr lower than you though.

[Garja]

AOE3 does require hotkeys for units. Of course not if you play Germans and make 5 mercs at time for the whole game.

[Kaiserklein]

Funny how I usually beat you with various civs and strats without using hotkeys to make units... I must be outplaying you really hard to achieve that

[Garja]

It wasnt meant to be a insult at you. But anyway you mostly win because merc strat is in fact very strong for how easy it is. It's easy to outplay when you can just shows up the army right click and win.

[momuuu]

Normally i dont do anything in this game without using a hotkey. Except for (attack-)move-commands. Every building i build and every unit i produce i use a hotkey for. The only exceptions are petards.

Its okay richard, shit happens. Unfortunate circumstances for you. I still love your russia rush build order.