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26 Oct 2015, 17:07

We won't be changing the ESOC Patch for some time now (at least after the winter tourney) so for now we will just use this one thread for everything regarding the ESOC Patch. Don't go off-topic please. :)

If you really don't know what I am talking about, read this: http://eso-community.net/thread/3381/fa ... tator-esoc
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26 Oct 2015, 23:29

I think Bank of Amsterdam/Rotterdam should be age ii shipments now,
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26 Oct 2015, 23:35

If after playing it really is balanced, i think a random civ option would be nice, like in aoe2
It seems hard to make though because of people having/not having decks :-(
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26 Oct 2015, 23:36

richard wrote:I think Bank of Amsterdam/Rotterdam should be age ii shipments now,
Dutch wont have enough space for cards then they will only be able to do naked FF every game
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27 Oct 2015, 00:26

Offshore support should be nerfed. It's a big flaw to not change this card. I understand that you don't want to change water right now, but I think we can all agree that Offshore support is a broken card.
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27 Oct 2015, 00:28

edeholland wrote:We won''t be changing the ESOC Patch for some time now (at least after the winter tourney) so for now we will just use this one thread for everything regarding the ESOC Patch. Don''t go off-topic please. :)

If you really don''t know what I am talking about, read this: http://eso-community.net/thread/3381/fa ... tator-esoc
My personal opinion I think you should buffed Russia a little...

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27 Oct 2015, 00:34

I would really really like to see plantations cost 600w. Running out of mines is too big of a deal right now. And if you do, rice paddies are super broken.

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27 Oct 2015, 00:41

jerom wrote:I would really really like to see plantations cost 600w. Running out of mines is too big of a deal right now. And if you do, rice paddies are super broken.
if plantantions got cheaper, mills will need to be cheaper because plantantions are supposed to be 2x more expensive.
if you leave mills at 400 wood and plantantions at 600, we are not talking anymore for a fanpatch ,but a mod because you are changing the gameplay.
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27 Oct 2015, 00:45

thebritish wrote:
jerom wrote:I would really really like to see plantations cost 600w. Running out of mines is too big of a deal right now. And if you do, rice paddies are super broken.
if plantantions got cheaper, mills will need to be cheaper because plantantions are supposed to be 2x more expensive.
if you leave mills at 400 wood and plantantions at 600, we are not talking anymore for a fanpatch ,but a mod because you are changing the gameplay.
You could argue then that iro is supposed to be stronger because thats the way its designed. Yes I am talking about changing the gameplay because I think plantations being so expensive has a negative influence on the gameplay.

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27 Oct 2015, 01:30

I agree plantations should be cheaper, 800 wood is insane

I think otto's silk road should be nerfed as I said in the other thread. 25% might be decent, but having it in discovery is way too op.
Also 80f for vils might be too cheap but I guess the FP team balanced that so we will see
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27 Oct 2015, 15:02

I think what is even more insane is the amount of upgrades and their costs for plantations, mills, paddies.
it's just not proportional compare to any eco you can have at around 20mn.
Even in treaty, sometimes you don't have the resources to upgrade them and must wait, lol
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27 Oct 2015, 15:06

thebritish wrote:
jerom wrote:I would really really like to see plantations cost 600w. Running out of mines is too big of a deal right now. And if you do, rice paddies are super broken.
if plantantions got cheaper, mills will need to be cheaper because plantantions are supposed to be 2x more expensive.
if you leave mills at 400 wood and plantantions at 600, we are not talking anymore for a fanpatch ,but ?a mod because you are changing the gameplay.

I dont see why plantations couldnt cost 400w just like they do for asian civs...... Where are you getting that plantations are supposed to be 2x as expensive?
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27 Oct 2015, 15:34

the developers probably pictured every plantation as Oak Alley and costing a lot to build, which is surely a mistake. 600w seems much more reasonable than 800. I don't see how plantation are supposed to be 2x more expensive than mills. you go nowhere with this reasoning
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27 Oct 2015, 16:05

European Explorer should have the ability to one shot the shogun in age 4. doesn't make sense that you can use it on any other unit but the shogun is exempt from the one shot.
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27 Oct 2015, 16:10

billybadass1991 wrote:European Explorer should have the ability to one shot the shogun in age 4. doesn''t make sense that you can use it on any other unit but the shogun is exempt from the one shot.

you can''t shoot villagers or explorers either, I think it''s reasonable to not be able to shoot shoguns with it.
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27 Oct 2015, 16:36

That makes sense that you cant one shot an explorer or a villager. shouldn't euro civs have a chance to counter the massive power spike of a shogun? I haven't tested every unit, but I imagine you can one shot mams bombards etc...Maybe im wrong, but I think its an issue. When I play Dutch vs japs this causes me to lose a lot. I mean shouldn't Dutch be able to hang with japs in age 4? that's when both nations peak ...right? I hate playing this matchup and always thinking I have to win in age 2. I'm not an expert by any means so any feedback is welcome.
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27 Oct 2015, 16:55

You can't shoot heroes, villagers, artillery and special units. You can shoot mercenaries. And this will stay this way.
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27 Oct 2015, 17:07

The Sioux changes need some work. They are meant to be a cav civ which reflects the history of the Sioux. The roles of Infantry and Cav are reversed with infantry being the support units. So the cav hit and run then retreat to a position where there are teepees and infantry. As the aura on teepees need to be small the speed bonus to cetans doesn't really make much of a difference because you aren't going to kite if you've built teepees. The reason why we don't see foward warhuts with teepees, cetans and raiding bowriders in colonial is because the Sioux economy is too weak to get all of that out. All you've done is reintroduced the possibility of cetan laming back into the meta. Also, rifle riders are not the age 3 projection of bow riders. They do different stuff and you should still want to make bow riders in age3.
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27 Oct 2015, 20:00

Bow riders are still a premium units just not ZOMFG broken as they were :)
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28 Oct 2015, 01:12

Plantations cost 600 w

Rice paddles cot 500w

Halberdiers +10 fire resistance .

Grenadiers reduce cost by 10 %

Nerf India and china , still thiking the best way

AA card brings 20 % reduce cost for their tecnologies.
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28 Oct 2015, 02:14

mmcnoel wrote:I think all mill / plantation types should be 400w. It is ridiculous not to. I don''t think the game design is meant to be plantations are 2x cost of mills. I am sure the original game design intended for more age 2 play with wood based units meaning that mines would last longer. Obviously things change.

Would also like to see more new maps to keep the pool fresh for every tournament season. New maps to shift balance and meta will be a huge part of keeping the game fresh and retaining players and viewers.

agree with both parts of your post. Rotating map pool would be nice. How easy is map making? If its doable for someone with not too much coding experience Id maybe want to give it a try aswell.

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28 Oct 2015, 03:02

Logically rice paddies should cost way more than mills and plantations (>1200w) because you can alternate food and coin production. I mil(l)itate in favour of a new change that would decrease the plantation's cost. 400w for plantations seems a reasonable option (I agree with n0eL on that) and 800w for the rice paddy because of the reason I stated above. It's not like TAD civs couldn't afford that.

Also I'd like the fp team to fix schooners. 40w is insanely ridiculous !
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28 Oct 2015, 06:26

lusas wrote:Plantations cost 600 w

Rice paddles cot 500w

Halberdiers +10 fire resistance .

Grenadiers reduce cost by 10 %

Nerf India and china , still thiking the best way

AA card brings 20 % reduce cost for their tecnologies.

I love the idea of AA giving reduced cost
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28 Oct 2015, 07:51

I think that nerfing India and China will be bad. I just like to see them original. They aren't very OP, they are just hard to play and hard to play against.

Ofcourse China is too OP in age 4, so nerf old han reform card.

Maybe if you want to do something for India, just give sepoy 180 HP and nerf urumi HP, buff sowar HP, nerf camel attack card. Maybe make infinite 9 urumi to infinite 8 urumi. Team 5 urumi to team 4 urumi.

I really want to see Russia getting buffed.
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28 Oct 2015, 10:51

shaolinstar wrote:Logically rice paddies should cost way more than mills and plantations (>'1200w) because you can alternate food and coin production. I mil(l)itate in favour of a new change that would decrease the plantation''s cost. 400w for plantations seems a reasonable option (I agree with n0eL on that) and 800w for the rice paddy because of the reason I stated above. It''s not like TAD civs couldn''t afford that.

Also I''d like the fp team to fix schooners. 40w is insanely ridiculous !
Your logic is... lacking.

One Rice Paddy accomodates 10 gatherers' not 20.
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