ESOC FP Civilization Tiers!

[Mr_Bramboy]

I doubt that buff will make much difference. The majority of Aztec players never age up.

This. Also you don''t really need a second Nobles hut since you can hardly afford to make units from a Warhut and a Nobles hut anyways.

[Marco1698]

Objectively, eso fp is better than old tad fan patch where samwise was pr 50? (not sure if it was the 1.2)

[anonymous123]

Objectively, eso fp is better than old tad fan patch where samwise was pr 50? (not sure if it was the 1.2)

You mean sam is not pr50 on esocp? @samwise12 #Riot

[[Armag] diarouga]

No, he just means that EP>FP 1.2

[blasdg]

Ottomans are broken as fuck. On TP maps nothing has changed, 14% less dmg on abuse guns doesnt actually do anything and their FF is still strong as hell. On no TP maps they are so much worse that I want to start crying.

This isnt the way you can balance a civ. When you play Otto its either ez or disaster, 100% depending on the map. Bullshit patch for Otto.

[gibson]

Objectively, eso fp is better than old tad fan patch where samwise was pr 50? (not sure if it was the 1.2)

That had to do with the amount of players playing, not the patch. It''s not really possible to get to much higher than pr 40 atm because of the low amount of high level players.

[[Armag] diarouga]

Ottomans are broken as fuck. On TP maps nothing has changed, 14% less dmg on abuse guns doesnt actually do anything and their FF is still strong as hell. On no TP maps they are so much worse that I want to start crying.

This isnt the way you can balance a civ. When you play Otto its either ez or disaster, 100% depending on the map. Bullshit patch for Otto.

And what would you do?
If you buff the mosquee they become op on TP maps.
There''s no way you can balance otto on every maps without changing the design of the civ.

[blasdg]

Then maybe you have to change the design of the civ?! Its better than having a 100% broken civ that is either super strong or super bad.

[[Armag] diarouga]

That's not the goal of the esoc patch atm.

[zoom]

Ottomans are broken as fuck. On TP maps nothing has changed, 14% less dmg on abuse guns doesnt actually do anything and their FF is still strong as hell. On no TP maps they are so much worse that I want to start crying.

This isnt the way you can balance a civ. When you play Otto its either ez or disaster, 100% depending on the map. Bullshit patch for Otto.

Testing indicates they are more balanced than on RE. It does something and their FF is weaker than before, albeit still strong. On non-TP maps they are also stronger than before, if but still fairly weak.

I think you are overreacting and, more importantly, reacting prematurely. Additional play-testing is needed. If it turns out to be an issue after all, I''m sure Ottomans will be addressed in future releases.

[blasdg]

That''s not the goal of the esoc patch atm.

I thought the goal was to fix Otto/Iro?

[[Armag] diarouga]

Thats not the goal of the esoc patch atm.

I thought the goal was to fix Otto/Iro?

The goal is to make them playable. They are playable, arent they? They wont be banned in tournaments anymore.
Yeah otto are weaker on no tp maps, but fre/ger/spain/sioux/port also are. And just dont QS with otto them.