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Which will be top civ in the ESOC FP 1.0?

Dutch
5
6%
British
2
2%
French
3
4%
Portuguese
13
15%
Spanish
1
1%
Ottomans
25
29%
Germans
7
8%
Russians
1
1%
Sioux
0
No votes
Aztecs
8
9%
Iroquois
1
1%
Chinese
7
8%
Japanese
5
6%
Indians
7
8%
 
Total votes: 85

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Hey,
First of all, I would like to thank the FP team for giving the great news of the upcoming FP! A big round of applause to all your hardwork! :bravo:


On the news of the FP notes, I want you all to post your approximations about the tiers of the civs in the ESOC FP 1.0!


Of course it is not yet officially released, but here you have to post the civ tiers according to you after you read the patch notes! Don't forget to tick the top civ you think which will be in the ESOC FP 1.0!

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Post by princeofcarthage »

Is it 1v1 or team cuz i think that will depend a lot on what perspective you are talking abt... port and dutch might as well be the new iro in team games.
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It's impossible to know until the patch has been out for at least a month. It's ine thing to know the changes, but quite another to see them at work.
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I bet on Spain. Looking forward to playing it.
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Leaning towards Germans or China :whistling:
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Definitely Dutch. They are already a top civ, who the hell wanted to buff them?!
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I personally don't think a changed civ will end up the best. Look to French or German.
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From my testings:
Tier 1: azzy, port, fre, ger, brit, china, japan, india
Tier2: sioux, iro, dutch, otto
Tier3: spain, russia

The top civ on this patch might be ger.
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diarouga wrote:From my testings:
Tier 1: azzy, port, fre, ger, brit, china, japan, india
Tier2: sioux, iro, dutch, otto
Tier3: spain, russia

The top civ on this patch might be ger.

otto 2 tier civ my ass. The only way that they got nerfed in any relevant way is abus rof which isn''t even too relevant because you just hit and run with abus against most other age 2 units.
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I vote for brits, top civ on good hunts maps, even if they are untuched on FP
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gibson wrote:
diarouga wrote:From my testings:
Tier 1: azzy, port, fre, ger, brit, china, japan, india
Tier2: sioux, iro, dutch, otto
Tier3: spain, russia

The top civ on this patch might be ger.
otto 2 tier civ my ass. The only way that they got nerfed in any relevant way is abus rof which isnt even too relevant because you just hit and run with abus against most other age 2 units.
On the re they have really hard time dealing with azzy/fre/ger/japan, with the abus nerf they know loose those MU, vs other top tier civs thats the same.
They should still beat india tho.
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diarouga wrote:
gibson wrote:otto 2 tier civ my ass. The only way that they got nerfed in any relevant way is abus rof which isnt even too relevant because you just hit and run with abus against most other age 2 units.
On the re they have really hard time dealing with azzy/fre/ger/japan, with the abus nerf they know loose those MU, vs other top tier civs thats the same.
They should still beat india tho.

by hard time dealing with those civs you mean if the other civ is played perfectly it might be 50/50 while otto is extremely easy to play. And quite frankly reducing abus rof by 14 % doesnt completely swing any mu. Most people wont even notice it tbh.
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Post by [Armag] diarouga »

Our aim is to balance competitive play, we can't balance 1st play.
Also you seem to forget that there's like 1/5 no tp maps where otto are just going to loose (pampa sierra, bengal, cascade range, pd, sr).
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diarouga wrote:Our aim is to balance competitive play, we can''t balance 1st play.
Also you seem to forget that there''s like 1/5 no tp maps where otto are just going to loose (pampa sierra, bengal, cascade range, pd, sr).

there have always been a decent amount of no tp maps....... I''m just saying that reducing abus rof by 14% doesn''t move otto from being basically the top civ to a mediocre civ.
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gibson wrote:
diarouga wrote:Our aim is to balance competitive play, we cant balance 1st play.
Also you seem to forget that theres like 1/5 no tp maps where otto are just going to loose (pampa sierra, bengal, cascade range, pd, sr).
there have always been a decent amount of no tp maps....... Im just saying that reducing abus rof by 14% doesnt move otto from being basically the top civ to a mediocre civ.
It isnt a mediocre civ, it is a good one but not the best.
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Post by [Armag] diarouga »

@_DB_ It is eso fp 5.3 btw :p
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diarouga wrote:
gibson wrote: there have always been a decent amount of no tp maps....... Im just saying that reducing abus rof by 14% doesnt move otto from being basically the top civ to a mediocre civ.
It isnt a mediocre civ, it is a good one but not the best.

yes youre right it is a good civ, and since all the top tier civs got nerfed a good civ is now a top tier civ. It does not belong in the lower echelon of civs.
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gibson wrote:
diarouga wrote:It isnt a mediocre civ, it is a good one but not the best.
yes youre right it is a good civ, and since all the top tier civs got nerfed a good civ is now a top tier civ. It does not belong in the lower echelon of civs.
3 civs got nerfed, and japan/china/azzy/france/brit/ger/india were already good civs and port got buffed.

Hf playing otto vs dutch now.
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diarouga wrote:
gibson wrote:yes youre right it is a good civ, and since all the top tier civs got nerfed a good civ is now a top tier civ. It does not belong in the lower echelon of civs.
3 civs got nerfed, and japan/china/azzy/france/brit/ger/india were already good civs and port got buffed.

Hf playing otto vs dutch now.

Im just saying based on your rankings otto is at best the 9th best civ and at worst the 12th best. And still there isnt an MU that otto goes into where you just say otto looses this MU(actually with Cetan buff soiux might just beat otto). Every mu is still a very winnable mu for otto while most other civs have mus that they just loose. Some top players were arguing that overall otto was actually buffed so saying that they are the 9th best civ is quite frankly ridiculous.
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Azzy, Otto, India, Japan, Brit, China
Germany, Ports, Sioux, France
Iro, Dutch, Spain,
Russia

Something like that? Might be underestimating the sioux nerf badly. Hard to predict it anyways. Maybe underrating the dutch and spain buffs, which could move them up a tier. Maybe the Japan nerf could move them down a tier aswell. Spain buff could be bigger and move them up a tier aswell. Germany would move up, but assuming the random map pool, I think there are too many TP-less maps. Top civ is aztec (they got a ninja buff) followed by Otto I think. Or maybe just otto with either standard play or some silk road play.

Which match ups would Aztec lose at it stands right now?
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Change the poll and allow 3 options
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Maybe Sioux actually got buffed since they will now have the ability to actually defend colonial pushes I guess. If the abus changes moves otto from OP to a tier 2 civ, then cetan bows might be really strong right now. Although that would mean bow riders suck now. Like suck really badly or sth. This just makes me not understand the otto changes actually. Does it mean that otto wasn't actually OP to start with?
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China is probably the best civ, just like it's probably the best civ on RE as well (disregarding Iroq).
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india and brit i think

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