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Which will be top civ in the ESOC FP 1.0?

Dutch
5
6%
British
2
2%
French
3
4%
Portuguese
13
15%
Spanish
1
1%
Ottomans
25
29%
Germans
7
8%
Russians
1
1%
Sioux
0
No votes
Aztecs
8
9%
Iroquois
1
1%
Chinese
7
8%
Japanese
5
6%
Indians
7
8%
 
Total votes: 85

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lusas wrote:OF course

n?1 India
n?2 china ,otto
n?3 German,iro ,Russian ,azetcs
n?4 French , jap
n?5PorT,Brit ,Sioux
n?6 Spain

My questions for the Dutch , still dont preview if tey can be in 4 th tier

About Russians , many say here they are the last , thats a big mistake .
Did you fail to realize this is a poll for the patch, with changes? All civilizations that are potentially weaker than Russians are being slightly buffed.
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noissance wrote:What if germans got free doppels with shipments instead of ulhans?
I personally love this idea, but it has a couple of drawbacks:

1. A few, random Doppels?ldners aren''t very useful outside of traditional battles.
2. It''s a major design change that would not sit well with a lot of Germans players.
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Port nerfs: -100f' wall nerf' lost 1 mamaluke. Buff: vile 80 food. Ports much better? Dont think so
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lol this lusas guy, brit in 5th tier and russia as strong as ger.
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lusas wrote:Port nerfs: -100f' wall nerf' lost 1 mamaluke. Buff: vile 80 food. Ports much better? Dont think so
Got that right...
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zoom wrote:
lusas wrote:Port nerfs: -100f' wall nerf' lost 1 mamaluke. Buff: vile 80 food. Ports much better? Dont think so
Got that right...
Wall nerf might be the only thing that goes against port maybe, Like mitoe said you only need to gather 60f for next vill, 1 mameluke less true but they save 100 food on 5 villagers thats like you will be saving ~500 food when mamelukes arrive = more mass of unit and 1 less mameluke. ofcourse the more mass wont be equal to damage 1 mameluke provides but still it wont be a game changer.
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All you guys saying Russia aren't a bottom tier civ are just crazy......russia was already one of the worst civs after port Dutch and Spain and now at least 2 of those civs are better than Russia..... Russia just has so many unwinnable mu and even with nerfed wall hp civs that would normally wall just have to spend 100w instead of 50,which isn't anything significant
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gibson wrote:All you guys saying Russia aren''t a bottom tier civ are just crazy......russia was already one of the worst civs after port Dutch and Spain and now at least 2 of those civs are better than Russia..... Russia just has so many unwinnable mu and even with nerfed wall hp civs that would normally wall just have to spend 100w instead of 50,which isn''t anything significant
A truthful speech from a low pr guy :-*
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I'm honestly not sure whats going to be strongest as i didn't get to play a lot during the balance test games. Otto really didn't feel that strong when i played with / against them, Iro still felt strong even after the nerfs. I think their eco semi ff style could potentially be very good, then you have the obvious civs which are unchanged : China + German and possibly Brit could be included in that tier.
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samwise12 wrote:Otto really didn''t feel that strong when i played with / against them,
Wise words from the wise.
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somppukunkku wrote:
diarouga wrote:Port is top civ now :P They win more mu than dutch ofc.
:bravo:

Seriously. Villager gets 20f cheaper but mames and -100f start. And now suddenly its tier 4-->'1 civ.
And better than ottos?
What kind of drugs you guys use?

Top LEL also to Garia who ranks Ottomans TWO tiers below russia. Ye, its non tp map but now mosque gives 0.7xp/s....
The matchup is still impossible cause otto ff with 2 cannons is way too fast for ruskis.

And cause BRs are losing 30hp its now tier 4?
Wake the fug up.
Dude otto lose to every single civ on non TP map, not just Russia which btw already does fine vs colonial otto.
Ports already benefit a lot from the new maps. Basically whenever ports have enought hunts to reach late game they have good chances to win.
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diarouga wrote:Sioux can semi btw.
If sioux can semi, every civ with 400w and exiled prince can semi.
Not all civs with 400w and exiled prince can semi, so sioux can''t semi.
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garja wrote:
somppukunkku wrote: :bravo:

Seriously. Villager gets 20f cheaper but mames and -100f start. And now suddenly its tier 4-->1 civ.
And better than ottos?
What kind of drugs you guys use?

Top LEL also to Garia who ranks Ottomans TWO tiers below russia. Ye, its non tp map but now mosque gives 0.7xp/s....
The matchup is still impossible cause otto ff with 2 cannons is way too fast for ruskis.

And cause BRs are losing 30hp its now tier 4??
Wake the fug up.
Dude otto lose to every single civ on non TP map, not just Russia which btw already does fine vs colonial otto.
Ports already benefit a lot from the new maps. Basically whenever ports have enought hunts to reach late game they have good chances to win.

russia do ok vs otto colonial? What drug have you been smoking i want some of that
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Yes they do, strelets cossack musk is superior to most of other colonial compositions, and they're eco is good.
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Ports are always super strong when they get a slight buff. They were a top civilization in FP 1.2. If they can acquire the means to use that extra TC they always do quite well.
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garja wrote:
somppukunkku wrote: :bravo:

Seriously. Villager gets 20f cheaper but mames and -100f start. And now suddenly its tier 4-->'1 civ.
And better than ottos?
What kind of drugs you guys use?

Top LEL also to Garia who ranks Ottomans TWO tiers below russia. Ye, its non tp map but now mosque gives 0.7xp/s....
The matchup is still impossible cause otto ff with 2 cannons is way too fast for ruskis.

And cause BRs are losing 30hp its now tier 4?
Wake the fug up.
Dude otto lose to every single civ on non TP map, not just Russia which btw already does fine vs colonial otto.
Ports already benefit a lot from the new maps. Basically whenever ports have enought hunts to reach late game they have good chances to win.
Play this match up 10 times versus someone decent. You as russia, opponent as ottos. You will lose 10-0. Trust me.
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I still wonder how does Russia beat Otto even on FP...
Abus can still kite strelets np -_-

It will be even worse because Russia is gonna suck more on fair maps '(
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Lol, just go normal stuff and don't make any musk unless you see a stable. That's how Russia try to win all MUs, otto is no exception.
Also I was talking about non TP maps in which otto are just super terrible.
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incog wrote:Ports are always super strong when they get a slight buff. They were a top civilization in FP 1.2. If they can acquire the means to use that extra TC they always do quite well.
The buffs Portuguese received in 1.2 far surpasses the ones received in EP1.0.
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if otto didnt age up russia have chance. but still, their early eco is shit. otto can do a lot before russia has a decent eco.
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subzero wrote:I still wonder how does Russia beat Otto even on FP...
Abus can still kite strelets np -_-

It will be even worse because Russia is gonna suck more on fair maps '(
I don''t think they do. However, this match-up will be closer on EP than RE, no doubt about it.

In this particular match-up the new maps definitely favor Russians. It will not be even worse by any means.
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paul wrote:if otto didnt age up russia have chance. but still, their early eco is shit. otto can do a lot before russia has a decent eco.

Yea thats the thing that sucks about Russia in early colonial doesn''t have the eco to support vil production and military production. They either have to make army and idle tc or not idle tc but idle blockhouse
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Russia vs otto is chanceless. The moment you realise that you can't micro with russian units, that moment you will not win even if you play like a god.

Russia vs Otto was 0-100. I'm sure it is still 0-100 on FP too.
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subzero wrote:Russia vs otto is chanceless. The moment you realise that you can''t micro with russian units, that moment you will not win even if you play like a god.

Russia vs Otto was 0-100. I''m sure it is still 0-100 on FP too.

if otto insist to play age 2 it''s 40-60 or even 50-50.
abus kite strelet? why should russia train strelet vs abus? they can send 9 cossack with shipment, and train more coosack with boyar after that. jan has poor anticav attack, and he can also raid you a lot.
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subzero wrote:Russia vs otto is chanceless. The moment you realise that you can''t micro with russian units, that moment you will not win even if you play like a god.

Russia vs Otto was 0-100. I''m sure it is still 0-100 on FP too.

if i''m otto i won''t train abus at all. just spam hussar, and try to take control of tp. jan abus won''t beat cossack strelet.

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