Revert Cassadors back to 'Nilla standard
Revert Cassadors back to 'Nilla standard
Cassadors (Portuguese skirmishers) used to be quite a unique unit back in Vanilla days. However, they were "standardised" back in TWCs and have just been "meh" ever since. Stats wise:
Today's Cass
-110hp
-17atk
-%50rr
-4.5speed
-3.0 Rate of Fire (standard).
-20 range
Vanilla Cass
-85hp
-26atk
-%60rr (edited, thought it was %50)
-4.5speed
-4.5 Rate of Fire (slower than usual).
-20 range
As you can see, Vanilla Cass were much more unique in their "glass cannon" style, and had strongly defined strengths and weaknesses. They were especially strong when fighting other skirm-units and heavy infantry, but could be punished much stronger by cav and artillery.
It's perhaps important to note that this style of Cass is more historically accurate. Cacadores, translating to "hunters," were elite units typically armed with rifled weapons and reknown for their marksmanship. Rifles at the time took longer to reload, but were much more accurate than muskets.
In game, these units were especially strong when well micro'd and were very rewarding units to those who learned how to use them. However, left without anticav, or left without micro, they were significantly weaker.
I think it's been very interesting to return at least some of these attributes while bringing out some uniqueness and historical accuracy as well.
Today's Cass
-110hp
-17atk
-%50rr
-4.5speed
-3.0 Rate of Fire (standard).
-20 range
Vanilla Cass
-85hp
-26atk
-%60rr (edited, thought it was %50)
-4.5speed
-4.5 Rate of Fire (slower than usual).
-20 range
As you can see, Vanilla Cass were much more unique in their "glass cannon" style, and had strongly defined strengths and weaknesses. They were especially strong when fighting other skirm-units and heavy infantry, but could be punished much stronger by cav and artillery.
It's perhaps important to note that this style of Cass is more historically accurate. Cacadores, translating to "hunters," were elite units typically armed with rifled weapons and reknown for their marksmanship. Rifles at the time took longer to reload, but were much more accurate than muskets.
In game, these units were especially strong when well micro'd and were very rewarding units to those who learned how to use them. However, left without anticav, or left without micro, they were significantly weaker.
I think it's been very interesting to return at least some of these attributes while bringing out some uniqueness and historical accuracy as well.
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That's interesting imo but don't forget they were better vs cav coz of nilla's dumbness.
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diarouga wrote:That''s interesting imo but don''t forget they were better vs cav coz of nilla''s dumbness.
Yeah forgot about multipliers, would probably slap the TAD multipliers on the ''nilla stats, but I don''t know how that''s test.
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Again, 4.5 RoF might be interesting. The other changes aren't IMO.
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zoom wrote:Again, 4.5 RoF might be interesting. The other changes aren''t IMO.
Slower RoF with increased damage? Because just slower RoF is a straight up DPS nerf.
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Why would you want to nerf cassadores? I think 26 attack with slower ROF is an excellent ideazoom wrote:Yes, that''s the idea...
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ovi12 wrote:Why would you want to nerf cassadores? I think 26 attack with slower ROF is an excellent ideazoom wrote:Yes, thats the idea...
I think you all want the same thing. Same dps, slower rof. It suits the unit really.
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They would be better to hit and run but they would overkill.
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Higher skillcap, always a good thingdiarouga wrote:They would be better to hit and run but they would overkill.
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Didn't they have 60% ranged resist on vanilla?
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bramboy wrote:Didn''t they have 60% ranged resist on vanilla?
Yup, they did, wiki lied to me :p will edit it in
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abus has 3.5rof 40atk and bombard attack which ignore your 60% rr.
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paul wrote:abus has 3.5rof 40atk and bombard attack which ignore your 60% rr.
So...? They still die in 3 hits with 85hp, just with more overkill. Even better for Ports.
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Here are the stats I think Cassadors should have. They keep the Vanilla intent, but make them more similar to Skirm.
My Cassadors
-100 hp
-23 attack
-50% rr
-4.5 speed
-4 ROF
-20 range
My Cassadors
-100 hp
-23 attack
-50% rr
-4.5 speed
-4 ROF
-20 range
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I much prefer the TAD version of cassas. If they were like nilla I wouldn't play ports a single time.
Beisdes TAD cassas are arguably better.
Beisdes TAD cassas are arguably better.
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garja wrote:I much prefer the TAD version of cassas. If they were like nilla I wouldn''t play ports a single time.
this statement would have more value if you tried to elaborate why you wouldnt play ports then.
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That's a valid point, but go to fucking bed already instead of spawn-camping this place, insta-replying to everything without giving posters a fair chance to edit, Jerom!
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because 4.5 rof sucks. For one, the more flashy the game the better it isjerom wrote:this statement would have more value if you tried to elaborate why you wouldnt play ports then.garja wrote:I much prefer the TAD version of cassas. If they were like nilla I wouldnt play ports a single time.
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You think Ports need a nerf? Are you sadistic or something? >':Dzoom wrote:Again, 4.5 RoF might be interesting. The other changes aren''t IMO.
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zoom wrote:That''s a valid point, but go to fucking bed already instead of spawn-camping this place, insta-replying to everything without giving posters a fair chance to edit, Jerom!
okay, gn.
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dont abus guns have 4.5 rof now ? and they have 40 SIEGE DMG sounds quite bad to me having a unit with 26 dmg and 4.5 rof when there is another unit which only slightly more but has like almnost double the dmg and hp of the first onezoom wrote:Again, 4.5 RoF might be interesting. The other changes aren''t IMO.
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If the settler back to cost 100 food, fine ...
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Try playing Ports on the RE patch at a high level, then say that... you don''t get it lol.pikadasgalaxias wrote:If the settler back to cost 100 food, fine ...
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I really prefer nilla ca?as indeed, because they are so different from skirms. They are just harder to micro, because they are paper thin vs cav and they overkill more. Tad ca?as might be better overall, because way more hp, almost same dps, and only 10% less rr, but if you abuse the kiting potential of nilla ca?as they are really great. Just much funnier to micro
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