What's wrong with the 5 mameluke shipment?
What's wrong with the 5 mameluke shipment?
Really, i never wondered about reducing -1 mame in the age 3 shipment, Anyways thanks for explaining, Umeu, Diarouga, DB and Forgin 4 mames really doesn't imbalance otto. I have tested it just now. On both online and bots. I hope that stretlet should have added range. Atleast +2? we can get the result of a perfect and balanced russia
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What's wrong with the 5 mameluke shipment?
16 range strelets in age 2 might be a bit too much. maybe if it was attached to their vet upgrade or strelet card or AA or something that could be cool
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What's wrong with the 5 mameluke shipment?
subzero wrote:3 mame is worse than 5 huss and 3 mahouts for 1k food because the fact that it cost 1k coin.?marco1698 wrote:3 mams are fair. 4 mams makes otto still op. Anyway I wont pay 1000 gold for 3 mams, I think. Abus guns should be nerfed a bit, really Otto is unbeatable if played well. Jans abus is unstoppable
Abus gun should be nerfed. They dont need the +2 range in veteran. So were giving a unit which is a cheat extra range with veteran upgrade, while EP is not doing anything for a strelet. It is unfair to buff abus range and do nothing to strelet.?
3 mams is not worse than 5huss
What's wrong with the 5 mameluke shipment?
4 mams is pretty balanced. Its equal with 6 stradiots... So its okey with 1000 gold price i think.
What's wrong with the 5 mameluke shipment?
If it cost 1k coin it is.marco1698 wrote:3 mams is not worse than 5husssubzero wrote:3 mame is worse than 5 huss and 3 mahouts for 1k food because the fact that it cost 1k coin.
Abus gun should be nerfed. They dont need the +2 range in veteran. So were giving a unit which is a cheat extra range with veteran upgrade, while EP is not doing anything for a strelet. It is unfair to buff abus range and do nothing to strelet.
Why would you even pay 1k coin for 3 mames if you can get 5 free huss?
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What's wrong with the 5 mameluke shipment?
subzero wrote:If it cost 1k coin it is.?marco1698 wrote:3 mams is not worse than 5huss
Why would you even pay 1k coin for 3 mames if you can get 5 free huss?
okay I got the point. I meant as good card or not, not the cost
What's wrong with the 5 mameluke shipment?
Yeah exactly. 3 Mames beat 5 huss in combat ofc, but I meant it isnt better that 5 huss in terms of cost efficiency of the card.marco1698 wrote:okay I got the point. I meant as good card or not, not the costsubzero wrote:If it cost 1k coin it is.
Why would you even pay 1k coin for 3 mames if you can get 5 free huss?
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What's wrong with the 5 mameluke shipment?
rdx wrote:Really, i never wondered about reducing -1 mame in the age 3 shipment, Anyways thanks for explaining, Umeu, Diarouga, DB and Forgin 4 mames really doesn''t imbalance otto. I have tested it just now. On both online and bots. I hope that stretlet should have added range. Atleast +2? we can get the result of a perfect and balanced russia
If you boost their range, you will need to increase strelets cost to keep them balanced. 40 resources for a unit with the stats of a skirm is OP.
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I kinda begin wondering whether 5 spahi for 1000 food is better than the 4 mams. In fact even 6 stradiots seems like a better choice (test 4 mams vs 6 stradiots in scen editor). Even if neither of those units have the meatshield power/value mams do.
In addition to removing 1 mam from the shipment, I would reduce shipment cost from 1000 coin to 800 coin.
Each mam costs 400 coin, making the shipment worth only 600 res (which is the standart for colonial, but not for fort).
In addition to removing 1 mam from the shipment, I would reduce shipment cost from 1000 coin to 800 coin.
Each mam costs 400 coin, making the shipment worth only 600 res (which is the standart for colonial, but not for fort).
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food is more easy waste than gold so if i get to choose thw nap and lets say 200 wood on top with jaegers shooting behind 3 walls.. no wait spahi still win..benj89 wrote:I''m pretty sure 5 spahi beat 10 jaegers too, my 2 cents
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to be fair ... mams is still age 4 unit.. and sometimes a tanky unit is much healthier to.. 4 mams imo is just fineivan wrote:I kinda begin wondering whether 5 spahi for 1000 food is better than the 4 mams. In fact even 6 stradiots seems like a better choice (test 4 mams vs 6 stradiots in scen editor). Even if neither of those units have the meatshield power/value mams do.
In addition to removing 1 mam from the shipment, I would reduce shipment cost from 1000 coin to 800 coin.
Each mam costs 400 coin, making the shipment worth only 600 res (which is the standart for colonial, but not for fort).
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if strelet get 2 more range, jeesus
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What's wrong with the 5 mameluke shipment?
1mam costs 400c but we all know it is worth 4-5huss (800-1000ressources).ivan wrote:I kinda begin wondering whether 5 spahi for 1000 food is better than the 4 mams. In fact even 6 stradiots seems like a better choice (test 4 mams vs 6 stradiots in scen editor). Even if neither of those units have the meatshield power/value mams do.
In addition to removing 1 mam from the shipment, I would reduce shipment cost from 1000 coin to 800 coin.
Each mam costs 400 coin, making the shipment worth only 600 res (which is the standart for colonial, but not for fort).
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Merc units in fortress are slightly more valuable than their cost suggests, yes. Nevertheless 3 huss can beat 1 mam, so I wouldnt place their value that highly.diarouga wrote:1mam costs 400c but we all know it is worth 4-5huss (800-1000ressources).ivan wrote:I kinda begin wondering whether 5 spahi for 1000 food is better than the 4 mams. In fact even 6 stradiots seems like a better choice (test 4 mams vs 6 stradiots in scen editor). Even if neither of those units have the meatshield power/value mams do.
In addition to removing 1 mam from the shipment, I would reduce shipment cost from 1000 coin to 800 coin.
Each mam costs 400 coin, making the shipment worth only 600 res (which is the standart for colonial, but not for fort).
Lets look at other mercs. 1 stradiot can beat 2 unupgraded huss. If you place a mams value in 4-5 huss, it only makes sense to consider a stradiot 3-4 huss.
6 stradiots should be worth ~21 huss (for 1000 coin). Pretty nice deal, yet its not a card I see often in otto or spanish decks.
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3-4 huss not 4-5, sorry.
So a 5mam shipment is 16-20 huss. A stradiot is 2huss so 6 stradiot=12-15huss, while you can have 10 huss with 1k c+5huss but you don t need to wait so that s k.
So a 5mam shipment is 16-20 huss. A stradiot is 2huss so 6 stradiot=12-15huss, while you can have 10 huss with 1k c+5huss but you don t need to wait so that s k.
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u sure a stradiot is 2 huss?
What's wrong with the 5 mameluke shipment?
I'd say it's a fair estimate. Naturally all units are more or less different. Stradiots are fast as shit and have 30% RR as well...
What's wrong with the 5 mameluke shipment?
I think the stradiot shipment is probably one of the better merc shipments.
But mams really are OP for their cost. Just look at the mongo10 vs samwise12 game (third or fourth game iirc, a china mirror) of summer championship. The mams absolutely destroy to a point where full mam seemed to be the optimal composition.
But mams really are OP for their cost. Just look at the mongo10 vs samwise12 game (third or fourth game iirc, a china mirror) of summer championship. The mams absolutely destroy to a point where full mam seemed to be the optimal composition.
What's wrong with the 5 mameluke shipment?
Its true while youve just 48 resources and good skirm type is OP. But russia isnt OP and also needs it. we may think of comparing the cost and effectiveness of a unit. why dont you assume as a block? Russia always trains in blocks. so you cost 480 of resources for this unit which dies easily and takes up pop. youve to keep building houses to train them. cozz each unit takes one pop as they are 10, houses support the same 10 pop. And for each stretlet block you spend 100 wood which is slow to gather. where you need +50 wood to build a blockhouse, and to spam bunch of strets, also stables and houses.the 5 pop which blockhouse supports becomes useless, as you wont keep building it above 2 of numbers. Also for another stret block you spend 480+480= 960 of res. Even 3 cuirs, which beat 20 strets dont cost this much. This why russia is imbalanced. Instead of changing the whole damn thing, giving +2 range for strets is not wrong. But if you increase the cost, increase only on food like 45 f and 10 w for each stret. Comparing the unit with the civ is more better than comparing their cost and effectiveness.papist wrote:rdx wrote:Really, i never wondered about reducing -1 mame in the age 3 shipment, Anyways thanks for explaining, Umeu, Diarouga, DB and Forgin 4 mames really doesnt imbalance otto. I have tested it just now. On both online and bots. I hope that stretlet should have added range. Atleast +2? we can get the result of a perfect and balanced russia
If you boost their range, you will need to increase strelets cost to keep them balanced. 40 resources for a unit with the stats of a skirm is OP.
oranges.
What's wrong with the 5 mameluke shipment?
Strelets are one of the strongest units ingame (price/value). Plus you can train them in age2, plus they cost no coin (which is matter a lot lategame when civs runs out coin mines), plus they have multiplier vs heavy inf, plus they are in big numbers and no area damage cav needs a lot of time to kill them (which is very important again if russia has anti cav no need to micro good cause 4-5 strelets die just doenst matter) plus they have speed advantage which helps them kiting more than any light inf.
I dont understand why should it be more op...
I dont understand why should it be more op...
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ivan wrote:Merc units in fortress are slightly more valuable than their cost suggests, yes. Nevertheless 3 huss can beat 1 mam, so I wouldnt place their value that highly.diarouga wrote:1mam costs 400c but we all know it is worth 4-5huss (800-1000ressources).
Lets look at other mercs. 1 stradiot can beat 2 unupgraded huss. If you place a mams value in 4-5 huss, it only makes sense to consider a stradiot 3-4 huss.
6 stradiots should be worth ~21 huss (for 1000 coin). Pretty nice deal, yet its not a card I see often in otto or spanish decks.
You cant test how good cav is by having it fight other cav. The strength of mams is the high hp low damage mechanic which is perfect for cav and also the ridiculous 40% rr.
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What's wrong with the 5 mameluke shipment?
rdx wrote:Its true while youve just 48 resources and good skirm type is OP. But russia isnt OP and also needs it. we may think of comparing the cost and effectiveness of a unit. why dont you assume as a block? Russia always trains in blocks. so you cost 480 of resources for this unit which dies easily and takes up pop. youve to keep building houses to train them. cozz each unit takes one pop as they are 10, houses support the same 10 pop. And for each stretlet block you spend 100 wood which is slow to gather. where you need +50 wood to build a blockhouse, and to spam bunch of strets, also stables and houses.the 5 pop which blockhouse supports becomes useless, as you wont keep building it above 2 of numbers. Also for another stret block you spend 480+480= 960 of res. Even 3 cuirs, which beat 20 strets dont cost this much. This why russia is imbalanced. Instead of changing the whole damn thing, giving +2 range for strets is not wrong. But if you increase the cost, increase only on food like 45 f and 10 w for each stret. Comparing the unit with the civ is more better than comparing their cost and effectiveness.papist wrote:If you boost their range, you will need to increase strelets cost to keep them balanced. 40 resources for a unit with the stats of a skirm is OP.
Even if Russia was weak, Im pretty sure we have enough Russia is weak threads.
What's wrong with the 5 mameluke shipment?
It has one Mameluke too many.
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