Dutch should have their 3 Hussar card replaced with 4 Hussar

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Dutch should have their 3 Hussar card replaced with 4 Hussar

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Dutch only have 2 military shipments in age 2
- 3 Hussar
- 8 Pikes

If it were my choice, they would get some sort of crossbow shipment as well,
but as it stands I can see no reason why they get such a worthless 3 Hussar card, when every other civ gets 4 Hussar card, or at least some other military shipment option.

This limit on military shipments in age 2 is something that really forces dutch to play in an extremely linear way, and I think slight tweaks to it, whether my suggestions or others, will do much to balance the civ.
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What civs get four hussar cards? France has 3 Huss. Brit doesn't even have an age 2 hussar card.
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musketeer925 wrote:What civs get four hussar cards? France has 3 Huss. Brit doesn't even have an age 2 hussar card.

There's 5 cossack, 4 kanyas and 4 sowars. Those are the only ones of comparable strength.

Anyways, Brits, ports, france and otto als only get 2 military shipments in age 2 if I am not mistaken.
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Jerom wrote:
musketeer925 wrote:What civs get four hussar cards? France has 3 Huss. Brit doesn't even have an age 2 hussar card.

There's 5 cossack, 4 kanyas and 4 sowars. Those are the only ones of comparable strength.

Anyways, Brits, ports, france and otto als only get 2 military shipments in age 2 if I am not mistaken.

4 Sowars. That's a good one!

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sorry for my mistake, I mustve misread something, but I do remember having am argument with my brother about improving the dutch by making their hussar shipment better, now that I think of it, it was probably 4huss -> 5 huss... but that doesnt really make much of a difference (I dont know what I am saying)...

Anyways what do you think about the other thing I said, that the limit on dutch colonial shipments really forces them to play a linear game style, they are really FORCED to go up to age three, which i believe to be caused by just simply due to the fact that they do not have any musketeers and the lack of viable anti cav units .
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dutchdude117 wrote:sorry for my mistake, I mustve misread something, but I do remember having am argument with my brother about improving the dutch by making their hussar shipment better, now that I think of it, it was probably 4huss -> 5 huss... but that doesnt really make much of a difference (I dont know what I am saying)...

Anyways what do you think about the other thing I said, that the limit on dutch colonial shipments really forces them to play a linear game style, they are really FORCED to go up to age three, which i believe to be caused by just simply due to the fact that they do not have any musketeers and the lack of viable anti cav units .
That's just the design of the civ, and I don't think its quite the problem.

I'd agree that 4 huss -> 5 huss would be an extremely nice change for dutch.
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3 huss is fine, if anything they should get 5 huss in age 3
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Colonial shipment worth of 800 res?

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4 huss is better than 5 cos, and 5 cos is one of, if not the best colonial military shipment in the game (inb4 "germany has better shipments", first remove the 2 free uhlans). It would really make no sense. Dutch would be able to have 9 huss around 5 min if they are fast, this is not decent.

But 5 huss in fortress would be a nice change indeed
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Because of ruyters, the stable is very clogged in Dutch games. Its very hard to keep up a decent ruyter mass, research veteran hussars and get hussars out. Its actually so hard that I think dutch almost needs the 4 hussar shipment. I took it out of my decks because its a pretty disappointing shipment in terms of value, but recently put it back in - with great results. Id be very nice to see it changed to a 5 huss shipment. Just remove the 6th bank they get and undo the amsterdam/rotterdam shipments or whatever.
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Kaiserklein wrote:4 huss is better than 5 cos, and 5 cos is one of, if not the best colonial military shipment in the game (inb4 "germany has better shipments", first remove the 2 free uhlans). It would really make no sense. Dutch would be able to have 9 huss around 5 min if they are fast, this is not decent.

But 5 huss in fortress would be a nice change indeed


Otto can have 13 huss at or before 5 min
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Dutch are already like French in strength, no need to make new changes.
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yurashic wrote:Dutch are already like French in strength, no need to make new changes.

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There is no reason to buff Dutch at the moment, I want say there is to nerf tbh. They are really good and their boom is probably the best now. 6 banks let you have an op ruyters falconets combo and you don't need mines anymore when you have have 6 banks.
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ovi12 wrote:
Kaiserklein wrote:4 huss is better than 5 cos, and 5 cos is one of, if not the best colonial military shipment in the game (inb4 "germany has better shipments", first remove the 2 free uhlans). It would really make no sense. Dutch would be able to have 9 huss around 5 min if they are fast, this is not decent.

But 5 huss in fortress would be a nice change indeed


Otto can have 13 huss at or before 5 min


Yeah but they will have to double stable and send 700g / 3 huss right ? Which is a big investment, compared to 1 stable and send 4 huss. Anyway otto are broken, what's new about that
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Kaiserklein wrote:4 huss is better than 5 cos, and 5 cos is one of, if not the best colonial military shipment in the game (inb4 "germany has better shipments", first remove the 2 free uhlans). It would really make no sense. Dutch would be able to have 9 huss around 5 min if they are fast, this is not decent.

But 5 huss in fortress would be a nice change indeed


4 axe and 4 kanya are better than 5 coss, but other than that yea, 5 coss is pretty good in its role
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umeu wrote:
Kaiserklein wrote:4 huss is better than 5 cos, and 5 cos is one of, if not the best colonial military shipment in the game (inb4 "germany has better shipments", first remove the 2 free uhlans). It would really make no sense. Dutch would be able to have 9 huss around 5 min if they are fast, this is not decent.

But 5 huss in fortress would be a nice change indeed


4 axe and 4 kanya are better than 5 coss, but other than that yea, 5 coss is pretty good in its role


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we china has 7 cav! 7!
but if dutch has 5+4 hussar in age 3 i will be glad to see that.
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Couprider wrote:we china has 7 cav! 7!
but if dutch has 5+4 hussar in age 3 i will be glad to see that.

More like 7 nothings though.
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Jerom wrote:
Couprider wrote:we china has 7 cav! 7!
but if dutch has 5+4 hussar in age 3 i will be glad to see that.

More like 7 nothings though.

steppe rider is not that weak. they do 2*xbow skrim(15*2). it's equal to 7 hussars.
china age2 is weak because they can only train units in certain batch.
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Couprider wrote:
Jerom wrote:
Couprider wrote:we china has 7 cav! 7!
but if dutch has 5+4 hussar in age 3 i will be glad to see that.

More like 7 nothings though.

steppe rider is not that weak. they do 2*xbow skrim(15*2). it's equal to 7 hussars.
china age2 is weak because they can only train units in certain batch.

Chinas age 2 is weak because they have shitty cav and no musk, not because of batches
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Hazza54321 wrote:
Couprider wrote:
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steppe rider is not that weak. they do 2*xbow skrim(15*2). it's equal to 7 hussars.
china age2 is weak because they can only train units in certain batch.

Chinas age 2 is weak because they have shitty cav and no musk, not because of batches


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Actually china age2 is weak just BO wise, in the sense that they don't have a simple way to boom nor can rush very powerfully.
In the long run China colonial is potentially superior to lot of civs. You don't really need musks if you have pike+keshik and you don't need a proper cav unit if you can always challenge the opponent in RI count.
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Everybody says China 2age is actually bad, but then Garja comes and says the contrary. Garja teach us! So finally w'ill have your same opinions!

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