Explorer buffs/nerfs/tweaks?

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Does ep team plan to rebalance explorers? What do experts think, do some of them need changes?
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i think giving them +1x multiplier vs guardians is good.
you can also nerf their attack by 1, so they will be worse vs other units, and give them 1x multipleir to guardians to make them stronger vs guardians
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thebritish wrote:i think giving them +1x multiplier vs guardians is good.
you can also nerf their attack by 1, so they will be worse vs other units, and give them 1x multipleir to guardians to make them stronger vs guardians


You would do that for all 14 explorers, regardless their special ability, starting HP, dam values, etc?! I think it's not way to go, because there is big discrepancy between twc/asian and nilla civs.
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whats the difference?
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Atomiswave wrote:Does ep team plans to do something with explorers? What do experts think, do some of them need changes?

I don't think any explorers need changes other than the various bugs associated with their stances. You could say sioux hero is way too strong for example, which it is, but that is part of the uniqueness of the civ so I don't think it should be changed.
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britishmusketeer wrote:
Atomiswave wrote:Does ep team plans to do something with explorers? What do experts think, do some of them need changes?

I don't think any explorers need changes other than the various bugs associated with their stances. You could say sioux hero is way too strong for example, which it is, but that is part of the uniqueness of the civ so I don't think it should be changed.


In terms of balance TWC explorers are op, especially sioux, but like you said that's part of their uniqueness. The point i wanted to make is can they be tweaked tp be little less op?
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Atomiswave wrote:Does ep team plans to do something with explorers? What do experts think, do some of them need changes?

I don't think any explorers need changes other than the various bugs associated with their stances. You could say sioux hero is way too strong for example, which it is, but that is part of the uniqueness of the civ so I don't think it should be changed.


In terms of balance TWC explorers are op, especially sioux, but like you said that's part of their uniqueness. The point i wanted to make is can they be tweaked tp be little less op?

The iro warchief has already been nerfed, sioux is no longer a super strong civ after the br nerf, so nerfing their explorer isn't really necessary and for aztec, the main problem is just the cover mode bug.
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I'd only remove the snare on the Sioux explorer, but the rest of the explorers are fine. Maybe only allow it to snare other explorers.
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nerf the old chinese mofo
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In terms of balance TWC explorers are op, especially sioux, but like you said that's part of their uniqueness. The point i wanted to make is can they be tweaked tp be little less op?

The iro warchief has already been nerfed, sioux is no longer a super strong civ after the br nerf, so nerfing their explorer isn't really necessary and for aztec, the main problem is just the cover mode bug.


Reducing Spanish explorer war dogs price from 75 to 70 or 65 may be good idea. That way dogs will be more cost effective, and at the same time we all know that Spain needs more buffs.
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allow Spain to be build more dogs
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thebritish wrote:allow Spain to be build more dogs


Or reduce train time. One of concerns with war dogs buff is that Spain's explorer will be even more effective in treasure collecting/scouting. For lower price almost everybody will build one more dog at start, and with 2 dogs you can easily collect most heavily guarded treasures.
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Cover mode on melee explorers is truly insane, and the sioux explorer having snare is overkill imo.

But that's also part of the civs I suppose so it's fine really.
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sounds a little noobish, but what does that snare effect?
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thebritish wrote:sounds a little noobish, but what does that snare effect?

you know when units fight a unit in melee, it is slowed down? That's what we call the snare effect.
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I don't see the problem.
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Jerom wrote:
thebritish wrote:sounds a little noobish, but what does that snare effect?

you know when units fight a unit in melee, it is slowed down? That's what we call the snare effect.

oh, so thats what you call snare effect.
didnt knew there is a name for slowing down units :D
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Get rid off cover mode for melle explorers that is literally bs with china tanking 3000hp worth of shots
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That's the only good thing of a meele infantry unit tho.
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Garja wrote:That's the only good thing of a meele infantry unit tho.

He has more hp and has critical hitsand can spawn diciples, plus it compliments chinas melle comno
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In terms of balance TWC explorers are op, especially sioux, but like you said that's part of their uniqueness. The point i wanted to make is can they be tweaked tp be little less op?

The iro warchief has already been nerfed, sioux is no longer a super strong civ after the br nerf, so nerfing their explorer isn't really necessary and for aztec, the main problem is just the cover mode bug.

Which bug is that?
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its was giving 15% attack and HP (aura). Now it gives 10% attack and HP afaik.
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I think we could remove the snare for the sioux explo yeah... It's just so broken. I wouldn't reduce the price of the spanish dogs, maybe rather buff their stats (if they indeed need a buff), because making them cheaper would make spain even better in age 1 on good treasures maps, which imo is kinda luck-based. I mean, if you find the 225f treasure and just train 2 dogs for like 130f, you just earn 95f + 2 dogs and lose almost no hp. It would be more broken than now, I don't like when we increase the differences between different maps

ovi12 wrote:Which bug is that?


If your azzie hero dies in cover mode, then when he is revived he will have a normal speed/attack, but still have the cover mode +50% range resist...
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Kaiserklein wrote:I think we could remove the snare for the sioux explo yeah... It's just so broken. I wouldn't reduce the price of the spanish dogs, maybe rather buff their stats (if they indeed need a buff), because making them cheaper would make spain even better in age 1 on good treasures maps, which imo is kinda luck-based. I mean, if you find the 225f treasure and just train 2 dogs for like 130f, you just earn 95f + 2 dogs and lose almost no hp. It would be more broken than now, I don't like when we increase the differences between different maps

ovi12 wrote:Which bug is that?


If your azzie hero dies in cover mode, then when he is revived he will have a normal speed/attack, but still have the cover mode +50% range resist...

or maybe just increase their build limit (from 5 to 10). Or make them 4 in discovery and +2 dogs build limit for every age up. (same for china too)
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is there any hand unit which does not have snaring effect?
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