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if you give longbow 1.5* hi, xbow should have 1.5*hi too.
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Couprider wrote:longbow is not strong, but it still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>xbow.
if you dont wanna buff xbow, why do we need this topic?

all civs who have xbows use skirms in age 3...
please try using xbow/pike in fortress age and let me know if you had any chance vs the opponent
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pecelot wrote:But bear in mind their crappy animation which clearly weakens their range advantage. It's not like that you can micro with them, especially when you can't use the attack move. So although I can see their pros, skirms are a lot handier in most cases.

Yeah, theres one specific scenario in which skimrs >>> longbows. When you've just aged up to fortress and you want to hold off some musk huss timing or something. Skirm goon is insanely good at that in smaller numbers, trading super cost effectively. Longbows do not trade cost effectively in such a scenario, you need a small mass of them.

But that never happens in brit games because they cant really semi ff (and conveniently dont have to semi ff because they have longbows).

Also, about their animation.. I wonder if the rof really is 1.5 in practice, or if its more like 2-2.5 due to animation. If it really is 1.5 then their stats are absolutely insane.
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wow Couprider that was so dumb that even thebritish could correct you

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Jerom wrote:Yeah, theres one specific scenario in which skimrs >>> longbows. When you've just aged up to fortress and you want to hold off some musk huss timing or something. Skirm goon is insanely good at that in smaller numbers, trading super cost effectively. Longbows do not trade cost effectively in such a scenario, you need a small mass of them.

I feel it happens pretty often. Also when you happen to engage poorly you are able to recover more easily with skirms since you don't need that many of them.
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Instead of changing the unit, just make a guide on how to use them.
People are trying to use them as xbow or skirm, and think they are bad because that doesn't work..... Lbs are a different unit, witch requires a specific micro to use them properly
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yemshi wrote:Port musks have the same stats though.


Yes this is true, both civs get royal guard muskets with 3 cards that upgrade their muskets.
Brits also have church tech for 20 percent hp increase which is why their muskets become stronger. I know not everyone uses this tech, but I am a british player mainly and whenever i am making muskets i like to have church card paired with AA because if you combine the techs in both, you get i think 35% percent more hp, 15% more ranged attack, 15% more hand attack, and just a speed loss from 4 to 3.4.

On the flipside, you can just have 15% more hp, ranged attack, and hand attack while increasing speed to 4.4 if you dont use church tech. I just personally think having the 20 percent hp buff while losing .6 speed is worth it.
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cedarfarms wrote:
yemshi wrote:Port musks have the same stats though.


Yes this is true, both civs get royal guard muskets with 3 cards that upgrade their muskets.
Brits also have church tech for 20 percent hp increase which is why their muskets become stronger. I know not everyone uses this tech, but I am a british player mainly and whenever i am making muskets i like to have church card paired with AA because if you combine the techs in both, you get i think 35% percent more hp, 15% more ranged attack, 15% more hand attack, and just a speed loss from 4 to 3.4.

On the flipside, you can just have 15% more hp, ranged attack, and hand attack while increasing speed to 4.4 if you dont use church tech. I just personally think having the 20 percent hp buff while losing .6 speed is worth it.

totally worth it lol.
Good luck catching 4.95 speed Cassadors with that
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thebritish wrote:
cedarfarms wrote:
yemshi wrote:Port musks have the same stats though.


Yes this is true, both civs get royal guard muskets with 3 cards that upgrade their muskets.
Brits also have church tech for 20 percent hp increase which is why their muskets become stronger. I know not everyone uses this tech, but I am a british player mainly and whenever i am making muskets i like to have church card paired with AA because if you combine the techs in both, you get i think 35% percent more hp, 15% more ranged attack, 15% more hand attack, and just a speed loss from 4 to 3.4.

On the flipside, you can just have 15% more hp, ranged attack, and hand attack while increasing speed to 4.4 if you dont use church tech. I just personally think having the 20 percent hp buff while losing .6 speed is worth it.

totally worth it lol.
Good luck catching 4.95 speed Cassadors with that


man you just need to learn how to play the brits and this game in general, muskets speed isnt the most important thing because people who know what they are doing arent using muskets to chase skirms. Cassadors are always faster than muskets so you will never catch them if they are microed properly, so you will lose either way. Maybe try using hussars vs cassador? cassador have like 100 hp and .6 ranged resist if you try to kill cassador with a ranged unit youre just wasting your time.

I wouldnt expect you to understand this tho, i mean you think lbs need a buff because you cant stop musketeer units as british lol
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Couprider wrote:if you give longbow 1.5* hi, xbow should have 1.5*hi too.
also PLZ BAN THEBRITISH !

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what does BTB means?
Back to Basics?
or
be top bitch?
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Buff Thelong Bows
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It means Ban The British because you are a blight on this forum.
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thebritish wrote:what does BTB means?
Back to Basics?
or
be top bitch?


No no my friend, BTB means, BAN THE BRITISH
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This is a longbow discussion thread, not a flame thread. Let's keep it that way.
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http://ageofempires.wikia.com/wiki/Cetan_Bow

why they arent considered OP even tho they are cheaper than longbows while having no set up animation like lbows, have 2x vs HI and 4.5 speed on EP?
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enjoy2play wrote:
KINGofOsmane wrote:lb>yumi enought said



stop troll man

you ever played japan vs britt in 1v1?
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KINGofOsmane wrote:
enjoy2play wrote:
KINGofOsmane wrote:lb>yumi enought said



stop troll man

you ever played japan vs britt in 1v1?

dont make yumi vs brits.
pure ashi>lbow/musk/pike/huss
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thebritish wrote:http://ageofempires.wikia.com/wiki/Cetan_Bow

why they arent considered OP even tho they are cheaper than longbows while having no set up animation like lbows, have 2x vs HI and 4.5 speed on EP?


Theres more to units than speed, damage multipliers, and animation. Longbows biggest asset is their ROF and their range, both of which are much much better than cetan bows.
Longbows are a unique unit and they excel when they can just sit in the back and snipe. Try this, do a fight 10 musk vs 10 lb and see what happens. Then try 20 musk vs 10 musk and 10 lb. See how different the result will be because the musket will provide the longbows time to use their range and rof while the muskets soak damage up front. This is how lbs need to be used.
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Cetan bows have 1.5 RoF too 9same as lbows).
-Now you try 10 skirm vs 10 musks and 20 musks vs 10 musks and 10 skirms and see the difference between skirms and lbows
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#bufflongbowmen
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Lb are good. No need to buff / nerf them
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Marco1698 wrote:Lb are good. No need to buff / nerf them

they wont become OP if they get +5 Hp and get their multiplier vs HI to 1.25x (same as yumi)
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thebritish wrote:
KINGofOsmane wrote:
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you ever played japan vs britt in 1v1?

dont make yumi vs brits.
pure ashi>lbow/musk/pike/huss

you are the dumbest person i ever met in my life
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