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Chinese Next Patch

Chinese have 3 weakness important.
1. Chinese very very very bad anti cavalry and Coyote Runner and other.
2. Chinese bad age 2 , units age 2 bad , very slow start age up 5.00-5.30 min = avg. bad age2 cavalry (Keshik ,Steppe Rider) qing pike are bad vs Multipliers cavalry and Multipliers Coyote Runner and other Multipliers Light Infantry
3. Chinese units are very cheap for late game.

1. Buff anti cavalry and Coyote Runner and other.
2. Buff age 2 and age 2 up faster than 5.00 min. buff (Keshik ,Steppe Rider) buff qing pike vs Multipliers

3. late game very bad. If nerf old han reform.
example
Chinese pike Units(1 pop)
hp 0.8
Resists 10% or 20%
Melee Damage 0.5
Siege Damage 1


Other civs pike units (1 pop)
hp 1.2 or 1.5
Resists 10% or 20% and 30%
Melee Damage 0.9 or 1.3
Siege Damage 3 or 4



Chinese Archer Units(1 pop)
hp 0.5
Resists 10% or 20%
Range Damage 0.3
Siege Damage 0.7

Other civs archer units (1 pop)
hp 1.5
Resists 10% or 20% and 30%
Range Damage 0.5 or 0.8
Siege Damage 1 or 1.2

I mean . 1 pop vs 1 pop
but cheap units vs other civs lategame?
or IF Chinese need win need have 400 pop? can win
if 220 vs 200 can't win lategame

Balance late game
Chinese pike Units(1 pop)
hp 1.5
Resists 10% or 20% and 30%
Melee Damage 1
Siege Damage 3

Other civs pike units (1 pop)
hp 1.5
Resists 10% or 20% and 30%
Melee Damage 1
Siege Damage 3


Chinese Archer Units(1 pop)
hp 1
Resists 10% or 20% and 30%
Range Damage 0.6
Siege Damage 1

Other civs archer units (1 pop)
hp 1
Resists 10% or 20% and 30%
Range Damage 0.6
Siege Damage 1
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You keep making threads asking for japan nerfs and china buffs but infact china is a stronger civ than japan overall xD
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4. the train time of this banner army (If nerf)

4. other civ build Hussar . they have 120f 80c can build 1 Hussar. but but but Chinese can't 1 build. but they build banner army (4-6units)
so other civ have 120f 80c build 1 Hussar. and wait wait 240f 160c they pick 1 time for 2 Hussar they have 360f 240c they pick 1 time for 3 Hussar and if they have 600f 400c they can build 5 Hussar
but but but for chinese can't
they need wait wait wait wait and wait for 480f 350c can build cavalry.

Chinese the train time of this banner army very slow because need wait full food and coin can build amry
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Chinese is considered top tier by every top players, they're going to be nerfed lol, not buffed.
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OK u can play vs rush hard or cavalry????
I don't seen its.

I seen more pro players lose rush hard and cavalry .

What top civ?
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We are looking at slight nerfs to Chinese Fortress Age play and a significant nerf to Old Han Reforms, currently. Imperial Meteor Hammers are being buffed, however.
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zoom wrote:We are looking at slight nerfs to Chinese Fortress Age play and a significant nerf to Old Han Reforms, currently. Imperial Meteor Hammers are being buffed, however.
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zoom wrote:We are looking at slight nerfs to Chinese Fortress Age play and a significant nerf to Old Han Reforms, currently. Imperial Meteor Hammers are being buffed, however.


Yes, I understand. but If Chinese players can't ff.
because they rush hard or cavalry at age2
Chinese players can't age 3 or age 3 but lose village house and eco.
age 3 useless.

I think next patch
need force Chinese age2 too plz.
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sudmakmak wrote:
zoom wrote:We are looking at slight nerfs to Chinese Fortress Age play and a significant nerf to Old Han Reforms, currently. Imperial Meteor Hammers are being buffed, however.


Yes, I understand. but If Chinese players can't ff.
because they rush hard or cavalry at age2
Chinese players can't age 3 or age 3 but lose village house and eco.
age 3 useless.

I think next patch
need force Chinese age2 too plz.

So your saying remove some age 3 unit shipments and get rid of 600 gold, and 700 gold? xD
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sudmakmak wrote:
zoom wrote:We are looking at slight nerfs to Chinese Fortress Age play and a significant nerf to Old Han Reforms, currently. Imperial Meteor Hammers are being buffed, however.


Yes, I understand. but If Chinese players can't ff.
because they rush hard or cavalry at age2
Chinese players can't age 3 or age 3 but lose village house and eco.
age 3 useless.

I think next patch
need force Chinese age2 too plz.

Chinese FF won't be useless in any more match-ups than it is now. I personally do believe that Chinese Colonial Age cavalry should be buffed, for the record. I've no idea whether that is happening though.
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You are asking for 400 pop for china? :-O
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zoom wrote:
sudmakmak wrote:
zoom wrote:We are looking at slight nerfs to Chinese Fortress Age play and a significant nerf to Old Han Reforms, currently. Imperial Meteor Hammers are being buffed, however.


Yes, I understand. but If Chinese players can't ff.
because they rush hard or cavalry at age2
Chinese players can't age 3 or age 3 but lose village house and eco.
age 3 useless.

I think next patch
need force Chinese age2 too plz.

Chinese FF won't be useless in any more match-ups than it is now. I personally do believe that Chinese Colonial Age cavalry should be buffed, for the record. I've no idea whether that is happening though.


Chinese Cavalry age3 can't vs other cavalry civs.
example Hussar 120f 80c = 4Hussar 480f 320c
but Forbidden Army 480f 350c
Forbidden Army don't cheap and can't vs other cavalry civs.
U can test its at game, Scenario Editor???
so I say Chinese bad anti cavalry.
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sudmakmak wrote:
zoom wrote:
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Chinese FF won't be useless in any more match-ups than it is now. I personally do believe that Chinese Colonial Age cavalry should be buffed, for the record. I've no idea whether that is happening though.


Chinese Cavalry age3 can't vs other cavalry civs.
example Hussar 120f 80c = 4Hussar 480f 320c
but Forbidden Army 480f 350c
Forbidden Army don't cheap and can't vs other cavalry civs.
U can test its at game, Scenario Editor???
so I say Chinese bad anti cavalry.


China tends to have so many changdaos that anti-cav isn't an issue in most games I've seen, unless it's vs cuirs. And yeah, their cav doesn't beat huss unit for unit, but they're arguably better at killing the units they counter (especially iron flails).

China has decent xbow-pike potential, but they're not good in late colonial, and this is fine (part of the civ design). They don't have to be good at everything.
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Actually, Forbidden Army does quite well against Hussars. The larger the scale and the more obstacles on the battlefield, the better. You should test it.
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zoom wrote:Actually, Forbidden Army does quite well against Hussars. The larger the scale and the more obstacles on the battlefield, the better. You should test it.


Hi Zoom, If Nerf Old Han Reform,

Chinese can't anti cavalry and Coyote Runner late game.

u need buff vs Multipliers Cavalry and Coyote Runner for pike changdao keshik.
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i think the best way to nerf old han reforms would just be make the units cost 1.5 population as well, opposed to changing anything too drastically
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sudmakmak wrote:Chinese can't anti cavalry and Coyote Runner late game.

old han + musks from brit consulate + disciples is more than enough anticav lategame. Coyote runners are actually terrible once you get fortress.
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britishmusketeer wrote:
sudmakmak wrote:Chinese can't anti cavalry and Coyote Runner late game.

old han + musks from brit consulate + disciples is more than enough anticav lategame. Coyote runners are actually terrible once you get fortress.


Hi, I know. .
I mean, can't anti pure cavalry or don't have card anti cavalry.
Not teach me. cav counter lb
or lb counter hi .
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sudmakmak wrote:
britishmusketeer wrote:
sudmakmak wrote:Chinese can't anti cavalry and Coyote Runner late game.

old han + musks from brit consulate + disciples is more than enough anticav lategame. Coyote runners are actually terrible once you get fortress.


Hi, I know. .
I mean, can't anti pure cavalry or don't have card anti cavalry.
Not teach me. cav counter lb
or lb counter hi .


or cannon counter lb hi cannon counter ship ????
want???
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sudmakmak wrote:
sudmakmak wrote:
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Hi, I know. .
I mean, can't anti pure cavalry or don't have card anti cavalry.
Not teach me. cav counter lb
or lb counter hi .


or cannon counter lb hi cannon counter ship ????
want???


teach me click r atk animal for hunt?
or click r take mine for coin
take wood for wood????
??
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sorry but none of that makes any sense :/
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britishmusketeer wrote:sorry but none of that makes any sense :/


np, I'm sry u. My English are bad. not u.
u maybe miss understand.
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Perhaps it's time for you to stop using your enigma machine.
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sudmakmak wrote:
britishmusketeer wrote:
sudmakmak wrote:Chinese can't anti cavalry and Coyote Runner late game.

old han + musks from brit consulate + disciples is more than enough anticav lategame. Coyote runners are actually terrible once you get fortress.


Hi, I know. .
I mean, can't anti pure cavalry or don't have card anti cavalry.
Not teach me. cav counter lb
or lb counter hi .

they dont
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