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deleted_user wrote:zoom brings up a great balance point, as always. But how do you suggest we proceed? If yumi > old han, and old han getting nerfed, do we nerf yumi? If so, how?

I would nerf the Golden Pavillion damage increases, Yumi Attack and the Shogun slightly. However, the team opines that Japanese do not represent a serious enough imbalance to warrant changing at this time.
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I would agree with that.
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deleted_user wrote:zoom brings up a great balance point, as always. But how do you suggest we proceed? If yumi > old han, and old han getting nerfed, do we nerf yumi? If so, how?


tbh, thats not the point, imo late japan > pretty much everything, not a pontual problem with china doesnt beeing able to beat it, most civs can't.

maybe thats just how the civ is, and the jap player tries to survive early game and reckt the late game.....
or maybe there is some kind of sense in this discussion, and jap post ~~12 mins is a problem that should be looked at..
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tedere12 wrote:I agree that japan need a slight nerf but only on yumi

make them unplaybale good idea!
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KINGofOsmane wrote:
Rikikipu wrote:hahaha, when i've seen this title i was sure it was a sudmakmak's topic xD

me also never saw a person as silly then him


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KINGofOsmane wrote:
tedere12 wrote:I agree that japan need a slight nerf but only on yumi

make them unplaybale good idea!

No make them more op so that you can win more games with japan laming. Otto nerf was such an upset for you.
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When is Kynesie vs Diarouga?
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lol ask any player 30 pr + to tell you if japan is op on patch and they whould all say 100% its not op just because some noobs cant beat them doesnt mean they have to be nerfed.
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fingolfin wrote:lol ask any player 30 pr + to tell you if japan is op on patch and they whould all say 100% its not op just because some noobs cant beat them doesnt mean they have to be nerfed.

I don't have an opinion on whether they are too weak, too strong or just right, but late game they are broken. I think good players would agree with that, to one extent or another.
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tedere12 wrote:
KINGofOsmane wrote:
tedere12 wrote:I agree that japan need a slight nerf but only on yumi

make them unplaybale good idea!

No make them more op so that you can win more games with japan laming. Otto nerf was such an upset for you.

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zoom wrote:
fingolfin wrote:lol ask any player 30 pr + to tell you if japan is op on patch and they whould all say 100% its not op just because some noobs cant beat them doesnt mean they have to be nerfed.

I don't have an opinion on whether they are too weak, too strong or just right, but late game they are broken. I think good players would agree with that, to one extent or another.

but dats where you wanna get anyway dats your goal and if you nerf dat what you gonna wait for?
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saying japan is broken late game is like saying other civs are too good in early game from japan's pov. So if u are pulling down japan's late game to match every other civ, just do the same for other civ's early game advantage as well imo.
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sudmakmak wrote:Nerf hard japan next patch

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old han useless for vs japan (Ikko-Ikki+Ashigaru Musketeer+Yumi Archer+Naginata Rider+Yabusame+Flaming Arrow+Yamabushi+Daimyo+japan wonder)


Well why are you making old han versus age 3 Japan? You should FF and make Territorial Army/Forbidden Army/redcoats. You will demolish Japan if you do this - Japan has no way to deal with that combo efficiently.
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leaf4 wrote:Sud you tried arguing to nerf china to, you are bad at arguing and explaining things. It may be because you dont seem to be native englsih.

he actually was arguing to buff china but ye xD
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sudmakmak wrote:and _H2O vs LordRaphael final

lordraphael actually won that game but just messed up and threw it.
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sudmakmak wrote:If h2o(play china) vs who(play japan)
If h20 lose . who better? blackstar op? who?
or because japan op

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Nymphomaniac wrote:saying japan is broken late game is like saying other civs are too good in early game from japan's pov. So if u are pulling down japan's late game to match every other civ, just do the same for other civ's early game advantage as well imo.

ofc they need to scale well later on because of how bad their early game is, however its scaled to the point where it is broken and yumis are best anti cav
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Hazza54321 wrote:
Nymphomaniac wrote:saying japan is broken late game is like saying other civs are too good in early game from japan's pov. So if u are pulling down japan's late game to match every other civ, just do the same for other civ's early game advantage as well imo.

ofc they need to scale well later on because of how bad their early game is, however its scaled to the point where it is broken and yumis are best anti cav

wall and xp on wonder is nerf enought...
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It's not really. Yumi will be nerfed at some point, it is jsut a matter of when and if there will be anything to compensate that.
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Garja wrote:It's not really. Yumi will be nerfed at some point, it is jsut a matter of when and if there will be anything to compensate that.

coz you cant beat them? must be
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No cause they're known to be beyond fuckin broken since 2008.
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KINGofOsmane wrote:
zoom wrote:
fingolfin wrote:lol ask any player 30 pr + to tell you if japan is op on patch and they whould all say 100% its not op just because some noobs cant beat them doesnt mean they have to be nerfed.

I don't have an opinion on whether they are too weak, too strong or just right, but late game they are broken. I think good players would agree with that, to one extent or another.

but dats where you wanna get anyway dats your goal and if you nerf dat what you gonna wait for?

Yes I just don't think it should be quite as good as it is. I do think it should be great.
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Nymphomaniac wrote:saying japan is broken late game is like saying other civs are too good in early game from japan's pov. So if u are pulling down japan's late game to match every other civ, just do the same for other civ's early game advantage as well imo.

I never meant to even imply pulling it down to the same level. It is possible that Japanese would need slight help in other areas though.
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Garja wrote:It's not really. Yumi will be nerfed at some point, it is jsut a matter of when and if there will be anything to compensate that.

Damn... I guess now we know who's really in charge!
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