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KINGofOsmane wrote:
Hazza54321 wrote:
Nymphomaniac wrote:saying japan is broken late game is like saying other civs are too good in early game from japan's pov. So if u are pulling down japan's late game to match every other civ, just do the same for other civ's early game advantage as well imo.

ofc they need to scale well later on because of how bad their early game is, however its scaled to the point where it is broken and yumis are best anti cav

wall and xp on wonder is nerf enought...

Those changes don't really relate to what I am talking about, although they did undeniably nerf Japanese somewhat.
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No make them more op so that you can win more games with japan laming. Otto nerf was such an upset for you.

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Another Japan is OP thread (which it's not). How original.
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Papist wrote:
sudmakmak wrote:Nerf hard japan next patch

ESOC Winter Tourney - 3rd/4th place: Diarouga vs Kynesie

Chineese vs japan

old han useless for vs japan (Ikko-Ikki+Ashigaru Musketeer+Yumi Archer+Naginata Rider+Yabusame+Flaming Arrow+Yamabushi+Daimyo+japan wonder)


Well why are you making old han versus age 3 Japan? You should FF and make Territorial Army/Forbidden Army/redcoats. You will demolish Japan if you do this - Japan has no way to deal with that combo efficiently.


I mean old han reform . not old han age3
and china age 2 very bad can't beat japan early game
japan start age 2 faster than china age2
and Diarouga vs Kynesie (age4 vs age4)
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When someone say japan isnt op: http://aoe3.jpcommunity.com/rating2/player?n=Salmient

And when some1 say they are weak early dont know why french lose 100% if it rushes... I feel people who denie nerf japan main jap players who has got emoitons about them like when some great mmorpg want nerf 1 class the class members instantly against it so hard and start crying... But this civ is more broken than old han to be clear...
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Mitoe wrote:Another Japan is OP thread (which it's not). How original.


Way to ignore the community, Kappa.
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iNcog wrote:
Mitoe wrote:Another Japan is OP thread (which it's not). How original.


Way to ignore the community, Kappa.

Well, it's entirely possible that they aren't OP as a civilization in 1v1, but their scaling is ridiculous.
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wall and xp on wonder is nerf enought...

Those changes don't really relate to what I am talking about, although they did undeniably nerf Japanese somewhat.

xp on wonder is soooo huge lol...
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Yumis just need a lbow-like animation and they'd be completely fine. You can even make it faster and they'd still be OK, it's the instant fire animation on them that is OP compared to lbows for instance
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Anti kynesie patch and now even jap nerf. Something else? Noobs. Japan is different on RE because the maps are different. The point is japan wants steal all the resources at his opponent and this is just not possible anymore because Garja maps have a lot of food. No need nerf them. I am quite curios about how to beat civs like german /Otto as jap when you will nerf them. Garja in first place, will speak me that
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Marco1698 wrote:Anti kynesie patch and now even jap nerf. Something else? Noobs. Japan is different on RE because the maps are different. The point is japan wants steal all the resources at his opponent and this is just not possible anymore because Garja maps have a lot of food. No need nerf them. I am quite curios about how to beat civs like german /Otto as jap when you will nerf them. Garja in first place, will speak me that

hm first time in my life i agree with you lol
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umeu wrote:
Jerom wrote:China vs Japan, umeu vs kynesie g1


also bsop vs kynesie in spring last year.


you probably confused,it was nagayumi vs bsop and nagayumi raped his japan with china... kynesie vs bsop was a japan mirror
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yumis definitely need a nerf, coz they are broken in the late game lol... they even kill ulhans before they get to the yumis... even prince agrees when he played vs nagayumi in the spring
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Marco1698 wrote:Anti kynesie patch and now even jap nerf. Something else? Noobs. Japan is different on RE because the maps are different. The point is japan wants steal all the resources at his opponent and this is just not possible anymore because Garja maps have a lot of food. No need nerf them. I am quite curios about how to beat civs like german /Otto as jap when you will nerf them. Garja in first place, will speak me that


the patch isnt anti kynesie, in fact if it was on re with iro and otto allowed, he wouldnt even make it into the ro8

instead patch was on ep and he got 3rd place.
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mnogud wrote:
umeu wrote:
Jerom wrote:China vs Japan, umeu vs kynesie g1


also bsop vs kynesie in spring last year.


you probably confused,it was nagayumi vs bsop and nagayumi raped his japan with china... kynesie vs bsop was a japan mirror


no, bsop also beat kynesies japan on mongolia
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you probably confused,it was nagayumi vs bsop and nagayumi raped his japan with china... kynesie vs bsop was a japan mirror


no, bsop also beat kynesies japan on mongolia

when was it umeu?
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umeu wrote:
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you probably confused,it was nagayumi vs bsop and nagayumi raped his japan with china... kynesie vs bsop was a japan mirror


no, bsop also beat kynesies japan on mongolia

no lol, it was nagayumi vs bsop and nagayumi won
kynesie vs bsop was 4-0 to bsop with bsop's civs mentioned first
game1 japan mirror on kamchatka - kynesie does forward double rax and bs kills the rush and goes industrial
game2 india vs ports on saguanay- rape again
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game4 russia vs french on pampas sieras- gg
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hmm i guess ur right them, i got them mixed up :/
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Dsy wrote:When someone say japan isnt op: http://aoe3.jpcommunity.com/rating2/player?n=Salmient

And when some1 say they are weak early dont know why french lose 100% if it rushes... I feel people who denie nerf japan main jap players who has got emoitons about them like when some great mmorpg want nerf 1 class the class members instantly against it so hard and start crying... But this civ is more broken than old han to be clear...


if you wanna use a guy who has 180 wins and 15 losses, who doesnt only plays japan mind you as proof of japan beating french when it rushes. That guy beats all civs no matter what they do.
what i see in that piece of evidence is a really good player beating weaker players, which have nothing to do with japan or french.

my point is use a good french players stats to show french lose to japan, not a good japan player.
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KINGofOsmane wrote:xp on wonder is soooo huge lol...

Only to their early Industrial, which isn't relevant in any match-ups they lose in the first place. It tones down their brokenness but it doesn't make them a less competitive civilization overall. Also, it should never have been as good as it is on RE to begin with.
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zoom wrote:
KINGofOsmane wrote:xp on wonder is soooo huge lol...

Only to their early Industrial, which isn't relevant in any match-ups they lose in the first place. It tones down their brokenness but it doesn't make them a less competitive civilization overall. Also, it should never have been as good as it is on RE to begin with.

the thing i liked haveing the option to age for 8 arrows which is now pretty much gone
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but ye doesnt nerf most strats i just liked it a lot
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The problem with yumis is that they have too big base attack and a lot of upgrades stacking up. Also daimyos are OP. You can't have 2000HP cavalry unit killing cannons with 1 hit and buffing all units by 30% on top of their current instead of base stats (same applies for the wonders). And what about the 10 arrows poping out of his ass? That's ridiculous.
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And musketeers as a unit are enough broken unit in this game. Having 4.5 speed ashigarus makes them ultra broken. Raiding (even better than cavalry and you better don't try stopping them with your cav), can't retreat from them, and they can always retreat for regrouping. It's a huge deal if every time there is an engagement and you have less army to lose it all - unrecoverable.

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