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g06092 wrote:And musketeers as a unit are enough broken unit in this game. Having 4.5 speed ashigarus makes them ultra broken. Raiding (even better than cavalry and you better don't try stopping them with your cav), can't retreat from them, and they can always retreat for regrouping. It's a huge deal if every time there is an engagement and you have less army to lose it all - unrecoverable.

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britishmusketeer wrote:
g06092 wrote:And musketeers as a unit are enough broken unit in this game. Having 4.5 speed ashigarus makes them ultra broken. Raiding (even better than cavalry and you better don't try stopping them with your cav), can't retreat from them, and they can always retreat for regrouping. It's a huge deal if every time there is an engagement and you have less army to lose it all - unrecoverable.

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cassadors with 4.95 speed are better than ashigaru
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britishmusketeer wrote:
g06092 wrote:And musketeers as a unit are enough broken unit in this game. Having 4.5 speed ashigarus makes them ultra broken. Raiding (even better than cavalry and you better don't try stopping them with your cav), can't retreat from them, and they can always retreat for regrouping. It's a huge deal if every time there is an engagement and you have less army to lose it all - unrecoverable.

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ashi arent even japan best unit lol
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KINGofOsmane wrote:
britishmusketeer wrote:
g06092 wrote:And musketeers as a unit are enough broken unit in this game. Having 4.5 speed ashigarus makes them ultra broken. Raiding (even better than cavalry and you better don't try stopping them with your cav), can't retreat from them, and they can always retreat for regrouping. It's a huge deal if every time there is an engagement and you have less army to lose it all - unrecoverable.

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ashi arent even japan best unit lol

which doesn't change the fact that they are too good at raiding.
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next patch nerf longbow as well pls ty ♥
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thebritish wrote:
britishmusketeer wrote:
g06092 wrote:And musketeers as a unit are enough broken unit in this game. Having 4.5 speed ashigarus makes them ultra broken. Raiding (even better than cavalry and you better don't try stopping them with your cav), can't retreat from them, and they can always retreat for regrouping. It's a huge deal if every time there is an engagement and you have less army to lose it all - unrecoverable.

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cassadors with 4.95 speed are better than ashigaru

stradiots with 7.25 speed are also better than cassadors
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tedere12 wrote:next patch nerf longbow as well pls ty ♥

yeah, make them have 0 as base damage..
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britishmusketeer wrote:
sudmakmak wrote:and _H2O vs LordRaphael final

lordraphael actually won that game but just messed up and threw it.

nope. raphael has no hunts at all, so even if he won the last fight, the victory is still h2o's.
mongolia is just for asian civs. picking french is a mistake, that's all.
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sudmakmak wrote:and _H2O vs LordRaphael final

lordraphael actually won that game but just messed up and threw it.

nope. raphael has no hunts at all, so even if he won the last fight, the victory is still h2o's.
mongolia is just for asian civs. picking french is a mistake, that's all.

If he hadn't aged and just cleared shrines to hunt, he would have won for sure. he would also have won if he didn't lose 10 skirm for free and go cuir.
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Raph was winning before he aged.
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nope. raphael has no hunts at all, so even if he won the last fight, the victory is still h2o's.
mongolia is just for asian civs. picking french is a mistake, that's all.

If he hadn't aged and just cleared shrines to hunt, he would have won for sure. he would also have won if he didn't lose 10 skirm for free and go cuir.

if h2o didnt lose yumi to raphael's hussars, raphael wont have chance to age up.
ashi +attack+daimyo>>>musk xbow. eco doesnt work here.
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[Armag] diarouga wrote:Raph was winning before he aged.

it's h2o who made mistake first. he made too many yumi archer and let rapha's hussars killed a lot.
if h2o go full ashi (or with some yumi), send attack and daimyo, he could win before rapha aged. upgraded ashi >> musk xbow, even if rapha has double eco the victory should still be h2o's. (that's why rapha take risk to age up because skirm and cannon is the only hope to beat assssssssssssssshi)
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Couprider wrote:
[Armag] diarouga wrote:Raph was winning before he aged.

it's h2o who made mistake first. he made too many yumi archer and let rapha's hussars killed a lot.
if h2o go full ashi (or with some yumi), send attack and daimyo, he could win before rapha aged. upgraded ashi >> musk xbow, even if rapha has double eco the victory should still be h2o's. (that's why rapha take risk to age up because skirm and cannon is the only hope to beat assssssssssssssshi)

ashi (not including the speed) have about the same cost efficiency as musks. With ashi attack and dynamo, they are more cost effective, but musks in larger numbers will still beat them, Yumi are the broken jap unit.
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Dont compare cassadores to muskeeter in raid. You cant raid with light inf inf cause 1 hussar kill all of your raid party. :D
Japan got too many upgrades for units. Daimyo, combat cards, consulate, golden pavilon, shogun its just too many.
Yumi Archer has too high base attack damage. Ashi has 4.5 speed for free. No1 mentioned naganita, but with vet upgrade + 30%card + pavilon it has 500 health with 30% rr. Kinda u train mams with high attack damage + multiplier vs light inf.
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Dsy wrote:Dont compare cassadores to muskeeter in raid. You cant raid with light inf inf cause 1 hussar kill all of your raid party. :D
Japan got too many upgrades for units. Daimyo, combat cards, consulate, golden pavilon, shogun its just too many.
Yumi Archer has too high base attack damage. Ashi has 4.5 speed for free. No1 mentioned naganita, but with vet upgrade + 30%card + pavilon it has 500 health with 30% rr. Kinda u train mams with high attack damage + multiplier vs light inf.


Nerf japan hard .
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Dsy wrote:Dont compare cassadores to muskeeter in raid. You cant raid with light inf inf cause 1 hussar kill all of your raid party. :D
Japan got too many upgrades for units. Daimyo, combat cards, consulate, golden pavilon, shogun its just too many.
Yumi Archer has too high base attack damage. Ashi has 4.5 speed for free. No1 mentioned naganita, but with vet upgrade + 30%card + pavilon it has 500 health with 30% rr. Kinda u train mams with high attack damage + multiplier vs light inf.

But, you can use cassadors to kill any ashis which will show around your TC LOS
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thebritish wrote:
Dsy wrote:Dont compare cassadores to muskeeter in raid. You cant raid with light inf inf cause 1 hussar kill all of your raid party. :D
Japan got too many upgrades for units. Daimyo, combat cards, consulate, golden pavilon, shogun its just too many.
Yumi Archer has too high base attack damage. Ashi has 4.5 speed for free. No1 mentioned naganita, but with vet upgrade + 30%card + pavilon it has 500 health with 30% rr. Kinda u train mams with high attack damage + multiplier vs light inf.

But, you can use cassadors to kill any ashis which will show around your TC LOS

So what exactly are you suggesting?
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Nerf Japan hard?
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zoom wrote:Nerf Japan hard?


Example
Can 2 shipment at one card.
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Yes it is one of their civs bonus if I understand what you mean. Don't forget they also have to "waste" a shipment on cherry orchard and that a lot of their shipments are nothing special: 2v 4v 600w 600g
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Dsy wrote:Dont compare cassadores to muskeeter in raid. You cant raid with light inf inf cause 1 hussar kill all of your raid party. :D
Japan got too many upgrades for units. Daimyo, combat cards, consulate, golden pavilon, shogun its just too many.
Yumi Archer has too high base attack damage. Ashi has 4.5 speed for free. No1 mentioned naganita, but with vet upgrade + 30%card + pavilon it has 500 health with 30% rr. Kinda u train mams with high attack damage + multiplier vs light inf.


imo jap is a particular case: they are kinda weak at the start, and then sudenlly they are extremely op in everything, units, upgrades, eco, cards, everything.

tbh I simple never play past 10 mins against jap, I all in everygame against it, with decent sucess rate, compared to other playstyles...

people trying to out-eco japan, trade army, take map, (play like raph in finals lol).... is just pointless, jap will escalete better and beat you in the long run... (unless you simply outplay your enemy, to be able to keep japan weaker then you..)
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deuxballesman wrote:Yes it is one of their civs bonus if I understand what you mean. Don't forget they also have to "waste" a shipment on cherry orchard and that a lot of their shipments are nothing special: 2v 4v 600w 600g


not, It basic. Because they eco op
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Not for the first 10-13mins depending on the pressure you apply the timing around the cherry orchard shipment is when they are at their weakest. It is worth basically 0 res while your shipment is worth either 700 or 1000 at that time.
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sudmakmak wrote:
deuxballesman wrote:Yes it is one of their civs bonus if I understand what you mean. Don't forget they also have to "waste" a shipment on cherry orchard and that a lot of their shipments are nothing special: 2v 4v 600w 600g


not, It basic. Because they eco op


If you sit around and let them boom for free, of course it's gonna be OP. But they are a boom civ; they should have a better eco than you if you let them get going.
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japan have best and more = op
very good Pros,very good benefit and very good property = op
everythink for japan op
but everyone think It's ok.??????????? OK????!!!!
OK = favorite japan civ = Personal feelings

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