Nerf hard japan next patch

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Nerf hard japan next patch

ESOC Winter Tourney - 3rd/4th place: Diarouga vs Kynesie

Chineese vs japan

old han useless for vs japan (Ikko-Ikki+Ashigaru Musketeer+Yumi Archer+Naginata Rider+Yabusame+Flaming Arrow+Yamabushi+Daimyo+japan wonder)
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and _H2O vs LordRaphael final
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Though I wouldn't suggest to nerf kapan hard I small gathering rate nerf to the shrines that don't have hunt nearby would be nice.
And the china japan match result between diarouga and kynesie surprised me too!
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China vs Japan, umeu vs kynesie g1
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hahaha, when i've seen this title i was sure it was a sudmakmak's topic xD
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Can you please stop with all this japan harass. The more threads you post about that the less I feel inclined to nerf japan.
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just dont play lategame against japs, is suicide.
Kill them when they are weak. almost all civs can beat japs playing agressively early.. but if you try getting fancy with the late game, you die. (raph vs h20?)
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Well, at least he has a point: Old Han Reforms won't beat Industrial Yumi, and it's being nerfed. Japanese may not be too imbalanced overall, but they definitely need tweaks.
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Garja wrote:Can you please stop with all this japan harass. The more threads you post about that the less I feel inclined to nerf japan.

Fortunately the team decides the balance changes together!
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oh wait...
rip
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Jerom wrote:
Garja wrote:Can you please stop with all this japan harass. The more threads you post about that the less I feel inclined to nerf japan.

Fortunately the team decides the balance changes together!
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oh wait...
rip

Fortunately you should stop getting angry and take everything so seriously. I'm pretty sure everyone share the same feeling that this guy is bitching too much about japan and opening more threads doesn't help in addressing balance.
Glad you made me waste 2 mins clarifing this.
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Jerom wrote:China vs Japan, umeu vs kynesie g1


also bsop vs kynesie in spring last year.

but anyway my strat was specifically tailored towards kynesies style and the map, it wouldnt work as well on other maps, though a map it would work on is actually kamchatka :P

i think china vs japan is pretty equal, perhaps even jap favored on non yak maps. but (semi)ff is probably not the best way to go about it. the reason mongo lost to kynesie is because he fucked up my build. he sent 7 mortars first, while i didnt do that for exactly that reason, its too vulnerable as the first shipment. its the same reason why you dont ship 2 cannons first with otto ff but go 8 jans before 2 cannons. he wouldve easily held with 5 cav or 9 musk first (depending on if he scouted the stable) and then hold with intervention when kynesie pushed agro.
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That's fairly logical though half the units you produce are pikemen so against pure yumi it shouldn't work.
I know you have cav batch for that but as mass yumi stands its own against cav...
Just a slight eco nerf for japs might suffice
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Mongo goodspeed was won by china (mongo) too if I remember well
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Japan is not OP
Kynesie is OP
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Liking what you do is Happiness...
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yumi can anti cavalry and everythink in game. jap eco oppppp.
I think japan. top 1 civs than germany. bye logic
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Now that we are at it let me just point out that China beats Japan just fine.
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deuxballesman wrote:That's fairly logical though half the units you produce are pikemen so against pure yumi it shouldn't work.
I know you have cav batch for that but as mass yumi stands its own against cav...
Just a slight eco nerf for japs might suffice


mass yumi wont work, in the sense that you should never get to have such a mass. if china plays properly they have the mass adv, thats why they win.
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Well see h2os french vs japan on the games vs king and diarouga japan dosent need any change its a mid tier civ in the patch you just have to know how to play against them and you win.
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Jap is not OP. Kynesie won because he's better than diarouga, not because japan > china. Kynesie won 4-1 vs diarouga, not the china jap game only. Coincidence?
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If h2o(play china) vs who(play japan)
If h20 lose . who better? blackstar op? who?
or because japan op
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Sud you tried arguing to nerf china to, you are bad at arguing and explaining things. It may be because you dont seem to be native englsih.
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I agree that japan need a slight nerf but only on yumi
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leaf4 wrote:Sud you tried arguing to nerf china to, you are bad at arguing and explaining things. It may be because you dont seem to be native englsih.

Yes, Sure. My bad English.
I try good English. OMG
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zoom brings up a great balance point, as always. But how do you suggest we proceed? If yumi > old han, and old han getting nerfed, do we nerf yumi? If so, how?
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deleted_user wrote:zoom brings up a great balance point, as always. But how do you suggest we proceed? If yumi > old han, and old han getting nerfed, do we nerf yumi? If so, how?


sure, nerf hard japan and yumi.
and china cheap units late game useless
don't have old han
and china age 2 very bad can't beat japan early game.

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