Jerom wrote:To be honest, its like a sergeant telling a top player he is wrong. I know pretty damned well I dont know the limitations and struggles of map making at all, and judging by what garja has posted in this thread there seem to be some things you might face. You dont seem to know anything about it, so I dont know what makes you feel like you know it better.
Its honestly kinda disrespectful imo. Free content, lots of effort put in and then you get some random flame from two angry people. Its not called dicksucking, its called showing some respect to people trying to improve the community with content rather than negativity.
Well you know, I've been trying to respect garja for a really long time. I actually flamed him less than I do normally because I felt like he was getting unfairly flamed by a lot of people, while indeed bringing new maps to the community.
The problem is, at some point, he could be the king of the universe and I would still not respect him, because of how he behavs towards me (and other people). I mean, he keeps saying that I maphack (for example because I take a 80f as France, big deal), that I suck, "shut up I know better" (when I just won like 4 times in a row, ofc), "retards" now ITT, etc etc. And more or less the same goes towards diarouga. If you want to be respected you need to show basic respect to other people as well... Hey, I'm a sore loser as well, but I'm nowhere nearly as hardcore as this. I came to the conclusion that Garja doesn't really deserve respect, seeing how he disrespectful he himself is.
On top of that, I'd add we tried multiple times to ask nicely for map changes. The problem being, Garja is so full of himself that he doesn't give a shit about what we can ask or think. Basically he made the maps, so hey, you don't have anything to say about them. Just compare the way Riki reacts when people criticize his maps (as long as it is relevant remarks, he will take them into account, because feedback is always a good thing) and the way Garja reacts... Plus those maps are going to be used for tourneys for which people put money on the table. Those maps are indeed free content, and I'm grateful for that, but making maps for a full community also means responsibilities, right ? Or then, by this way of thinking, you could argue that the community doesn't have a word to say about the balance changes either, because hey it's free content. Same for the esoc forums, and whatever else. But no, it doesn't work that way, we need feedback (as long as it is courteous) from the community if we want things to work nicely. And everyone got that in the esoc team, except Garja apparently.
And finally, those mapscrews we are talking about are just blatant. I even remember spawning hudson with umeu when this version came out, and we found that goldmines were screwed. And with Mitoe, we saw that Arkansas hunts were screwed as well. And it hasn't really changed since. I don't believe anyone who play a lot on Arkansas or Hudson hasn't noticed those new screws.