Poll: EP state of balance (1v1)

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Re: Poll: EP state of balance (1v1)

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Garja wrote:On tad it is not fair at all. Thing is Spain have rods and Germans don't have musks or goons so unit wise they have a chance.
But the 400w, 8bows, fast age and skirm cards still is too much gap.

No it's not, I guess you just didn't play as ger vs spain with the new atp build. Spain can actually force germany into making dops, the only answer to a rod/cav composition (except brs). If you give up your tp and let spain tp boom he will just outscale, and the fact you're age 3 isn't even enough to beat his rods based composition. If you try some bow semi stuff without dops you will just lose to rods and maybe even cav.
I guess I'll try to learn the build and we'll play this mu
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Kaiser just give up, people will only ever accept realities from the past not the present XD

Whenever the meta changes or shifts in AoE3 people stubbornly refuse to accept it for a long time.
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I did already play that build 10 times. Played vs Germans on gameranger vs a guy that said to know Mitoe from mac community and actually just lost (and he did cookie cutter semi ff with early BR while even losing all 7 ulhans in colo lol)
Yes the build is promising, and it is something as old as 2005 Spain (pretty sure I have a rec of grunt doing that lol) but it's far from being the definitive answer to Spain weaknesses.
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Out of curiosity was the guy's name {PHX} Joker? or something along those lines?
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You lost because you got outplayed xD.
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Mitoe wrote:I love how people don't respect H2O's opinions on the game because he's "too good" or something like that, and then say other people's opinions don't matter because they're not as good as someone like H2O XD
I don't think he (gibson) disrespected or despised H2O's opinion. He didn't bring up the second part of your post either...
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The H2O is too good argument is based on him showing off god tier micro to barely manage to win against much worse players (below lt colonel) which makes me doubt the build order.
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_H2O wrote:
hunter wrote:
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Come and show us how to counter it.
Only Virginia company, tower of victory, and FI incoming! :D I love goodspeed but he doesn't play the game enough or care enough to update all the theory. (I know mart knows that those builds are troll I'm joking).
I'm saying the build is easy to lose to if you stick with generic meta builds like cav semi-FFs, countering it is a bit less straightforward. I do agree it's a good build and have actually played around with it recently though at no point did I execute anything properly :sad:
I was also a huge fan of Spain ATP builds on vanilla, there was an NE tournament once (very good route as we all know) which I practiced a lot for. It was good then so it makes sense that it would be good now, Spain saw some balance tweaks but they're still the same civ really.

Also, VC is viable I'm not even kidding. Did you miss the thread? :P
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I really dont see calling porto re as a weak civ.. they were already top tier in water maps and since %50 maps are water. Porto already has their chance. Lets be realistic.
Porto vs french/german in water=%75 80 for porto (if they play right)
And porto va french/german in land = %60 for french/germ.
Ita overall porto wins %60 %65 vs german france. (In std maps)
Porto gets hard time vs semi ff civs. But if they can postpone the game a bit later. They would be probably one of strongest civ early indrustial.
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RIP poll. The trolls XD
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deleted_user wrote:I really dont see calling porto re as a weak civ.. they were already top tier in water maps and since %50 maps are water. Porto already has their chance. Lets be realistic.
Porto vs french/german in water=%75 80 for porto (if they play right)
And porto va french/german in land = %60 for french/germ.
Ita overall porto wins %60 %65 vs german france. (In std maps)
Porto gets hard time vs semi ff civs. But if they can postpone the game a bit later. They would be probably one of strongest civ early indrustial.

Lol you probably played only vs players who ship 9 uhlans first in fortress and dont build a rax until 10 minutes vs your pure goons
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ovi12 wrote:
deleted_user wrote:I really dont see calling porto re as a weak civ.. they were already top tier in water maps and since %50 maps are water. Porto already has their chance. Lets be realistic.
Porto vs french/german in water=%75 80 for porto (if they play right)
And porto va french/german in land = %60 for french/germ.
Ita overall porto wins %60 %65 vs german france. (In std maps)
Porto gets hard time vs semi ff civs. But if they can postpone the game a bit later. They would be probably one of strongest civ early indrustial.

Lol you probably played only vs players who ship 9 uhlans first in fortress and dont build a rax until 10 minutes vs your pure goons

?..
I played 2.5 k games as porto and i have way more idea than you got.
Can make a bo5 porto vs german in std maps anytime...
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Mitoe wrote:RIP poll. The trolls XD
Fixed

Jokes on them again, it takes me 5 seconds to remove 180 troll answers.
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In typical poll fashion Japan has 1.5 points too many or so. Im also surprised people think china is better than france (although possibly because france got a few retarded votes) and that aztec and british are rated relatively low.

British especially, it seems like a potential top civ almost. Very consistent all across the board, can beat almost any good civ (france germany aztec japan and china are all very beatable for them) and they definitely arent weak against the lower civs either. Not to mention they get much better on water maps and no TP maps.
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China is top civ. Good unit good age. Only civ better than China is Japan.
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France is clearly better than China.
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Ger french china in that order than perhaps aztec japs brits ports
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deleted_user wrote:
ovi12 wrote:
deleted_user wrote:I really dont see calling porto re as a weak civ.. they were already top tier in water maps and since %50 maps are water. Porto already has their chance. Lets be realistic.
Porto vs french/german in water=%75 80 for porto (if they play right)
And porto va french/german in land = %60 for french/germ.
Ita overall porto wins %60 %65 vs german france. (In std maps)
Porto gets hard time vs semi ff civs. But if they can postpone the game a bit later. They would be probably one of strongest civ early indrustial.

Lol you probably played only vs players who ship 9 uhlans first in fortress and dont build a rax until 10 minutes vs your pure goons

?..
I played 2.5 k games as porto and i have way more idea than you got.
Can make a bo5 porto vs german in std maps anytime...


Lol now I'm inactive but even when I was 1st lt/captain I played vs kingownage2nd on high plains and won as germany. Maybe on water map it's better but on land map port has no chance.
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ovi12 wrote:
deleted_user wrote:
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?..
I played 2.5 k games as porto and i have way more idea than you got.
Can make a bo5 porto vs german in std maps anytime...


Lol now I'm inactive but even when I was 1st lt/captain I played vs kingownage2nd on high plains and won as germany. Maybe on water map it's better but on land map port has no chance.

1 game doesn't show anything. Do a bo10 with ownage and you could find an actual result. in land %60 germ wins but not impossible for ports. U can spice trade eco or tp boom
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Unless ports go atp on a map with a lot of tps I can't see how they would beat germany on a land map
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Only bayou bad for ports. Its also bad for germ too. No tp
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hunter wrote:I just put 5 for all the civ changes I haven't tested yet >.<

You don't have to vote ;)

IP Man wrote:The only civs who use goons are ports and French.

Not really.

forgrin wrote:I would bet infinite sums of money it's that guy who makes the threads complaining about how bad China is in bad English.

jap op good poverty everythink jap UP = personal feelings :pop: :pop: :pop:

Kaiserklein wrote:France has a very good age 2 though. Maybe not a great late age 2 but their early colo is one of the strongests (probs just behind azzy / iro / otto). They still have cav upgrades and musks for mid colo, ok in late colo nothing special.

What about early skirms? :twisted:
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pecelot wrote:
IP Man wrote:The only civs who use goons are ports and French.

Not really.

i dont think any civ other than this 2 use goons

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