Poll: EP state of balance (1v1)

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Spaniards and Brits as well!
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pecelot wrote:Spaniards and Brits as well!

None of the spain cav cards affect them, so if you use goons as Spain, you are basically trying to lose.
When brits start using goons, the game has went to late stage, where they already won or lost.
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Brits can go lb/goon, not necessarily in late game. They can just semi-ff for example.
Spain doesn't build a stable in most match ups when they do the normal ff thing. But vs otto they can go lancer so they might mix goons as well, and h2o's atp build sometimes leads him in fortress where he goes skirm/huss/goons. Not having cards for goons is annoying later on but obviously it doesn't mean you can't train them lol... Look at france or germany, they will most of time mass skirms without upgrades (france can send upgrades but if you come to send +15% attack or +20% hp for skirms it's pretty late game, they don't have a combat card).
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Kaiserklein wrote:Brits can go lb/goon, not necessarily in late game. They can just semi-ff for example.
Spain doesn't build a stable in most match ups when they do the normal ff thing. But vs otto they can go lancer so they might mix goons as well, and h2o's atp build sometimes leads him in fortress where he goes skirm/huss/goons. Not having cards for goons is annoying later on but obviously it doesn't mean you can't train them lol... Look at france or germany, they will most of time mass skirms without upgrades (france can send upgrades but if you come to send +15% attack or +20% hp for skirms it's pretty late game, they don't have a combat card).

Brits never go for lbow/goon in lategame because they cant gather wood.
They arent meant as a semi-ff civ also, so if you really wanna semi-ff, you can just pick france or germany. They dont send skirms cards because they send cav cards. people are most likely to go for full cuir (cuir spam), than for full skirm (skirm spam), so why waste cards in skirms.
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IP Man wrote:Brits never go for lbow/goon in lategame because they cant gather wood.

Wood is the only natural resource that you will never miss in a sup game.. ?
IP Man wrote:They arent meant as a semi-ff civ also, so if you really wanna semi-ff, you can just pick france or germany.

It's not about "I want to semi ff"... It's about match ups. If you find yourself playing brits against some civs you might want to semi ff, for example some people go semi ff with brits against france. It's like saying "if you want to play age 2 don't pick germany", yeah but if you have germany against azzie/russia/otto for example you might have to stay colo.
IP Man wrote:They dont send skirms cards because they send cav cards.

No, germany simply doesn't have a skirm card, except an extremely bad age 4 card that you will never send in sup. Yet you see, they still mass skirms... France will indeed ship cav combat first (they shouldn't ship other cav upgrades before skirm upgrades though, since those upgrades don't affect goons). But they won't ship skirms upgrades in most sup games because they are not very good and they just have better stuff to ship before (1000w, 1000g, military shipments, probs refrigeration/royal mint as well).
IP Man wrote:people are most likely to go for full cuir (cuir spam)

We aren't talking about treaty man... You will almost never go full cuir in sup, even if the game goes super duper lategame, you will probs mix other units.
IP Man wrote:than for full skirm (skirm spam), so why waste cards in skirms.

Lol so if you don't go full skirms it's not worth upgrading them, even if they represent half your army ? Wtf
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Hm, Kaiser, well done, someone needed to clarify these points... lol
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Kaiserklein wrote:
IP Man wrote:Brits never go for lbow/goon in lategame because they cant gather wood.

Wood is the only natural resource that you will never miss in a sup game.. ?
IP Man wrote:They arent meant as a semi-ff civ also, so if you really wanna semi-ff, you can just pick france or germany.

It's not about "I want to semi ff"... It's about match ups. If you find yourself playing brits against some civs you might want to semi ff, for example some people go semi ff with brits against france. It's like saying "if you want to play age 2 don't pick germany", yeah but if you have germany against azzie/russia/otto for example you might have to stay colo.
IP Man wrote:They dont send skirms cards because they send cav cards.

No, germany simply doesn't have a skirm card, except an extremely bad age 4 card that you will never send in sup. Yet you see, they still mass skirms... France will indeed ship cav combat first (they shouldn't ship other cav upgrades before skirm upgrades though, since those upgrades don't affect goons). But they won't ship skirms upgrades in most sup games because they are not very good and they just have better stuff to ship before (1000w, 1000g, military shipments, probs refrigeration/royal mint as well).
IP Man wrote:people are most likely to go for full cuir (cuir spam)

We aren't talking about treaty man... You will almost never go full cuir in sup, even if the game goes super duper lategame, you will probs mix other units.
IP Man wrote:than for full skirm (skirm spam), so why waste cards in skirms.

Lol so if you don't go full skirms it's not worth upgrading them, even if they represent half your army ? Wtf

good effort, i dont think i would have the patience
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Maybe IP Man is coming from a Treaty perspective?
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and this is about supermacy
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such a fascist.
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zoom wrote:Maybe IP Man is coming from a Treaty perspective?

And we don't care.
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Mr_Bramboy wrote:China is top civ. Good unit good age. Only civ better than China is Japan.

No, China is bad. Bad units, bad eco.
Bad rush wins China.
I mean no anti-cav, no musketeers.
Please nerf Japan.
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Rikikipu wrote:
Mr_Bramboy wrote:China is top civ. Good unit good age. Only civ better than China is Japan.

No, China is bad. Bad units, bad eco.
Bad rush wins China.
I mean no anti-cav, no musketeers.
Please nerf Japan.


sarcasm me?
But I know ,
who will win next tournament
play china every game,
I want know, he will win every with china.

pro player stupid logic. noob logic
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You can't play china every games, only one or two games and most of the top players do it actually.
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[Armag] diarouga wrote:You can't play china every games, only one or two games and most of the top players do it actually.


they say china best civ , 1 or 2 with germany.
china op, china top tier 1.
china win every thing.

Pro player or who will win tournament.
play china every game vs other civ.
by regulation
1. other civ rush hard
exmaple 1. cav+musk or cav+musk+archer or cav rush hard.
2. use cav anti china.
3. rush hard at first age2
but if don't rush hard or cav ,
example wait china age3 by not rush hard or cav = game show (noob tournament)

If china win everything at tournament delete china from this game.
patch 1.03


I will wait . watch pro player stupid logic.

Pelé and Diego Armando Maradona are best football player but why why why
they aren't best football Manager. because they stupid, bad logic.
so so for this game , pro player stupid logic.
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Pro players are also the best theoriticians of the game. And China is used in tourney and it wins games.
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sudmakmak wrote:
[Armag] diarouga wrote:You can't play china every games, only one or two games and most of the top players do it actually.


they say china best civ , 1 or 2 with germany.
china op, china top tier 1.
china win every thing.

Pro player or who will win tournament.
play china every game vs other civ.
by regulation
1. other civ rush hard
exmaple 1. cav+musk or cav+musk+archer or cav rush hard.
2. use cav anti china.
3. rush hard at first age2
but if don't rush hard or cav ,
example wait china age3 by not rush hard or cav = game show (noob tournament)

If china win everything at tournament delete china from this game.
patch 1.03


I will wait . watch pro player stupid logic.

Pelé and Diego Armando Maradona are best football player but why why why
they aren't best football Manager. because they stupid, bad logic.
so so for this game , pro player stupid logic.


patch game eso asian dy 1.03 patch. not esoc patch nerf other civ.
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Garja wrote:Pro players are also the best theoriticians of the game. And China is used in tourney and it wins games.


I don't seen its. I seen but China vs china
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ok
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sudmakmak wrote:
Garja wrote:Pro players are also the best theoriticians of the game. And China is used in tourney and it wins games.


I don't seen its. I seen but China vs china

Guess why lol
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Garja wrote:
sudmakmak wrote:
Garja wrote:Pro players are also the best theoriticians of the game. And China is used in tourney and it wins games.


I don't seen its. I seen but China vs china

Guess why lol


china vs other civ = china lose rush. I seen.
U seen at my post , china vs other civ = lose at tournament . I copy link. OK
but pro or win tournament not play china vs other civ.
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No, other civ vs china = loss. So mirror.
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Garja wrote:No, other civ vs china = loss. So mirror.


U mean? Who lose . China lose?

If china lose, who stupid say china best civ. 1 or 2
they use logic?
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The other civ lose. Come on can we end this? Everyone thinks China is one of the best civs, why do we have to argue this again?
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Garja wrote:The other civ lose. Come on can we end this? Everyone thinks China is one of the best civs, why do we have to argue this again?


I'm not argue u. but I'm argue who use stupid logic. pick china poll?

1. they can't anti rush hard
2. they can't anti cav
3. bad eco and bad house (because at age2 china can have 1house or 2 or 3 , who rush hard will atk house = 10pop)
4.they slow age2

and u use Polite word. thank you.

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