Poll: EP state of balance (1v1)

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Im inactive but im up to play german vs spain sometime. I play german you spain. Ok Kaiser?

Sounds like a fair match-up.

[Kaiserklein]

Lol if you want but it's not going to be relevant unless you are pr 35 ish ?

Its relevant cause civ difference gives huge advantage. I can lose only if i make big mistakes...

Not really, if you are under pr 25 I would win regardless of the map / mu / strat... And spain vs ger is a close mu anyway

[Hazza54321]

Oh I think I misinterpreted the scale so I made it truly go to ten. Well germany and france are really OP compared to iro or iro has to be UP.

Germany 10
France 9.5
Aztec 8.5
China 8.5
British 8
Portuguese 7
Japan 7
India 6.5
Spain 6
Dutch 4
Russia 4
Sioux 4
Iro 3

Otto undefined

i mostly agree with this, perhaps ports higher than brits

[Hazza54321]

Lol if you want but it's not going to be relevant unless you are pr 35 ish ?

ive beaten you, and im pr30

[momuuu]

Oh I think I misinterpreted the scale so I made it truly go to ten. Well germany and france are really OP compared to iro or iro has to be UP.

Germany 10
France 9.5
Aztec 8.5
China 8.5
British 8
Portuguese 7
Japan 7
India 6.5
Spain 6
Dutch 4
Russia 4
Sioux 4
Iro 3

Otto undefined

i mostly agree with this, perhaps ports higher than brits

Im not sure, maybe ports should gain some points or so, especially since they might be better than Japan. I kinda like brits in the aspect that they are a very decent civ against Germany, France, Aztec and China relative to other civs, and don't truly lose any of the match ups against lower rated civs (Japan and India feel close though). Although I might overrated Brits.

[Kaiserklein]

Lol if you want but it's not going to be relevant unless you are pr 35 ish ?

ive beaten you, and im pr30

So what ? You can't judge a MU based on a game between different level players

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Lol if you want but it's not going to be relevant unless you are pr 35 ish ?

ive beaten you, and im pr30

One does not simply... beat Kaiserklein!

[Hazza54321]

Lol if you want but it's not going to be relevant unless you are pr 35 ish ?

ive beaten you, and im pr30

So what ? You can't judge a MU based on a game between different level players

so hostile

[deleted_user]

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Lol if you want but it's not going to be relevant unless you are pr 35 ish ?

ive beaten you, and im pr30

So what ? You can't judge a MU based on a game between different level players

so hostile

Ofc.. if you lame with strelets nothing to respect x)

[Mimsy for President]

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ive beaten you, and im pr30

So what ? You can't judge a MU based on a game between different level players

so hostile

Ofc.. if you lame with strelets nothing to respect x)

breeze please

[Darwin_]

Chinese: 10
German: 9
French: 8
Aztec: 8
Japanese: 8
Portuguese: 7
Brits: 7
Dutch: 6
Indians: 6
Spain: 6
Russia: 6
Otto: 6
Sioux: 6
Iro: 6

I would say that every civ should be an 7-8. That is what the average should be, IMO.

[Mr_Bramboy]

Anyone who rates Dutch and Sioux higher than a 3 has never played them.

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Anyone who rates Dutch and Sioux higher than a 3 has never played them.

They don't beat Chinese anymore, do they then?

[Goodspeed]

I love how the average is within .05 of the last poll's. 6.46, now 6.43

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Chinese: 10
German: 9
French: 8
Aztec: 8
Japanese: 8
Portuguese: 7
Brits: 7
Dutch: 6
Indians: 6
Spain: 6
Russia: 6
Otto: 6
Sioux: 6
Iro: 6

I would say that every civ should be an 7-8. That is what the average should be, IMO.

Oink, oink, oink!

[momuuu]

I love how the average is within .05 of the last poll's. 6.46, now 6.43

I claim coincidence.

[momuuu]

Theres quite a few ridiculous poll votes for France, there's at least 2 one scores given out by people that just want their civ to not be nerfed. I dont even know how france would be worse than china lol. Also spain is very underrated.

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You're just salty because Goodspeed keeps buffing Dutch.

[[Armag] diarouga]

Yes, I think people don't vote for the best civ but for the civ they would want to be nerfed.

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Yes, I think people don't vote for the best civ but for the civ they would want to be nerfed.

Oftentimes there is solid correlation though.

[Goodspeed]

Yes, I think people don't vote for the best civ but for the civ they would want to be nerfed.

Jokes on them, this poll won't be used to base balance changes on.

But still can we stop with the BS answers? Just had to remove like 10 responses from some retard who single handedly got China in 5th by voting 1 for them and 6+ for everything else.

[Garja]

lol

[forgrin]

Yes, I think people don't vote for the best civ but for the civ they would want to be nerfed.

Jokes on them, this poll won't be used to base balance changes on.

But still can we stop with the BS answers? Just had to remove like 10 responses from some retard who single handedly got China in 5th by voting 1 for them and 6+ for everything else.

I would bet infinite sums of money it's that guy who makes the threads complaining about how bad China is in bad English.

[_H2O]

Lancer doesnt work vs a good otto player. German destroy you. Azzi play second age? wtf. French destroy you.

And if you dont scout rush dont complain you lose your tps. If dont scout a rush you can even lose a game. Its a huge mistake.

You are like 2 months of me playing Spain out of date.

All the games lost were either fast resigns or I could have won for sure.

The loss to prince I was playing garbage IMO. The loss to heroes I thought I could win even if he had water in colonial. Turns out if I just aged at the right time instead of trolling I would win that one too.

Lots of easy wins in here but also some vs good players. Enough to say Spain isn't as bad as you think they are. Also I never once all in played any of these games.

Also remember many of the games I got non ideal maps too. spain is not OP but they are an upper class civ IMO.

Spain beats: hapan, India, China, Russia, Otto, Iro, suiox, Dutch

Close : Aztec(Spain might win), German, port on patch, Brit

Lose: France

[gibson]

Beating players who you out class proves nothing because you can use an inferior strat and still win.....