old han vs territorial

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Re: old han vs territorial

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Garja wrote:nah old stats are better but that s not even the point

Arq has 97hp, 14dmg (20 range) and 30% RR; CKN 95hp, 15dmg (16 range) and 20% RR. Chang 144hp, 15dmg and 20% MR; Qiang 105hp, 7dmg and 10% MR. I don't understand how you could think that OH is better than T in terms of stat's.

You confuse me...
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Re: old han vs territorial

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umeu wrote:
Garja wrote:lol 20 hp difference and you call it equal?
Also chukos have 20% more damage than arqs with one extra card remaining.
Dont chukos have 30% like aenna and maces and lbows?


more damage, but less range and less range resist. also arqs have shadow tech in fortress.

the qiang pikes have less attack i guess but more vs cav, i think. not sure exactly what the multipliers are on these units. but they again have less resist.

5 and 2.25 respectively, so about the same but more per cost for Qiang, and Changdao do almost double damage per cost to everything else. Qiang do have better siege damage though.

I think that in terms of base stat's T is far superior to OH, but it becomes closer given Reforms. I'm inclined to prefer T with Reforms at 50/25, still.
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Re: old han vs territorial

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zoom wrote:
Garja wrote:nah old stats are better but that s not even the point

Arq has 97hp, 14dmg (20 range) and 30% RR; CKN 95hp, 15dmg (16 range) and 20% RR. Chang 144hp, 15dmg and 20% MR; Qiang 105hp, 7dmg and 10% MR. I don't understand how you could think that OH is better than T in terms of stat's.

You confuse me...

we are talking about stas post old han and post territorial army cards, in industrial with honored upgrade
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zoom wrote:
umeu wrote:
Garja wrote:lol 20 hp difference and you call it equal?
Also chukos have 20% more damage than arqs with one extra card remaining.
Dont chukos have 30% like aenna and maces and lbows?


more damage, but less range and less range resist. also arqs have shadow tech in fortress.

the qiang pikes have less attack i guess but more vs cav, i think. not sure exactly what the multipliers are on these units. but they again have less resist.

5 and 2.25 respectively, so about the same but more per cost for Qiang, and Changdao do almost double damage per cost to everything else. Qiang do have better siege damage though.

I think that in terms of base stat's T is far superior to OH, but it becomes closer given Reforms. I'm inclined to prefer T with Reforms at 50/25, still.


ye specially considering you have to invest a card + 1000f to get old han there + the fortress upgrades, while T has shadow tech. And there is an upgrade card for T while there is no upgrade that affects both OH units with 1 card. So the T units are now much more upgradeable, and it seems still slightly cheaper for about the same quality in damage/hp.
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Re: old han vs territorial

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I would say Old han is stronger a bit. Not much thats true. Thats why it became an optional card not a must card as china which is totally fine in my eyes.
If there is not too many coin mines on map i would definitely go with old han. And most of the maps you run out of coin pretty fast.
I think its still a viable card.
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Re: old han vs territorial

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Garja wrote:
zoom wrote:
Garja wrote:nah old stats are better but that s not even the point

Arq has 97hp, 14dmg (20 range) and 30% RR; CKN 95hp, 15dmg (16 range) and 20% RR. Chang 144hp, 15dmg and 20% MR; Qiang 105hp, 7dmg and 10% MR. I don't understand how you could think that OH is better than T in terms of stat's.

You confuse me...

we are talking about stas post old han and post territorial army cards, in industrial with honored upgrade

I see. Thank you.
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Re: old han vs territorial

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Dsy wrote:30 vs 23 damage difference is huge to be clear. And pike do more damage than swordsmen vs cav.
Old han is still stronger. But they are not OP now. Its a good change.


pike 100%hp damage100% damage lose changdao
pike hp210 dam14 changdao hp198 dam24 pike14*5 but changdao 24*2.3
changdao low damage anti cavalry
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Re: old han vs territorial

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sudmakmak wrote:
Dsy wrote:30 vs 23 damage difference is huge to be clear. And pike do more damage than swordsmen vs cav.
Old han is still stronger. But they are not OP now. Its a good change.



pike 100%hp damage100% damage lose changdao
pike hp210 dam14 changdao hp198 dam24 pike14*5 but changdao 24*2.3
changdao low damage anti cavalry


http://ageofempires.wikia.com/wiki/Changdao_Swordsman
http://ageofempires.wikia.com/wiki/Qiang_Pikeman
http://ageofempires.wikia.com/wiki/Arquebusier
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Re: old han vs territorial

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zoom wrote:
Garja wrote:nah old stats are better but that s not even the point

Arq has 97hp, 14dmg (20 range) and 30% RR; CKN 95hp, 15dmg (16 range) and 20% RR. Chang 144hp, 15dmg and 20% MR; Qiang 105hp, 7dmg and 10% MR. I don't understand how you could think that OH is better than T in terms of stat's.

You confuse me...


yes, t better than but nerf old han
t better than oh
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Re: old han vs territorial

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I play china only .
I know everything for china.
I remember.
and old han reform card.
use vs late game
u seem boneng fl or play china yesterday.
they very bad for old han need upgrade more
but t can upgrade easy.
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As zoi has said before, old han name should change and it should affect steppe and Keshik as well.
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Qiang has higher siege and 70 effective atk vs cav while changdao has ~ 51 atk changdao has effective melee hp of 216 and pike has 231 so yeah qiang pike > changdao stat wise excluding cost. ckn has 30 atk and 216 hp but just 16 range arq has hp ~ 189 and 21 atk but it has 20 range. so after old han excluding cost effectiveness oh > T but you have to know that oh costs more plus it has wood cost. However theres another catch oh reform costs age 4 and 1k food so thats basically 4.2k res but you can send territorial combat in age 3 which is a free shipment the stats in age 4 after sending old han reform and territorial combat are
same for oh as above but for territorial arq is 208 range hp and 23 atk chang is ~56 atk and 240 hp. So yeah garja is right old han is still better stat wise, however it doesn't tell its cost effectiveness since old han costs rather quite more and it has wood cost.
Fine line to something great is a strange change.
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Re: old han vs territorial

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hp and damage litte different. but cost different
and It late game at age4 and card late game at age4 1000f
and i mean not china vs china
compare oh and t
not oh fight t (not china vs china)
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Re: old han vs territorial

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n0eL wrote:As zoi has said before, old han name should change and it should affect steppe and Keshik as well.


why not change for buff?
but this patch nerf stupid logic.
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I fear the patch team use feeling no logic for patch....
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stupid nerf logic patch
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patch logic stupid nerf
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stupid logic patch nerf
Consider not the one who speaks the truth, but the truth that is said

:hmm: AoE logic :hmm:
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Re: old han vs territorial

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quick

how many different shit post possibilities are there using only these 4 words:

stupid
logic
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nerf
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I just hope DE is not going to implement all of the EP changes. Right now it is a big clusterfuck.
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Re: old han vs territorial

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iNcog wrote:quick

how many different shit post possibilities are there using only these 4 words:

stupid
logic
patch
nerf

4!=24
Consider not the one who speaks the truth, but the truth that is said

:hmm: AoE logic :hmm:
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Re: old han vs territorial

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sudmakmak wrote:old han vs territorial
full upgrade at War Academy at age4
old han+ old hanreform
and territorial + territorial card

pike hp210 dam14 changdao hp198 dam24
archer hp180 dam10*3 aq hp160 dam23
not different
but use
old han 318f 225w
territorial 285f 255c
different

uninstall game

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Re: old han vs territorial

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P i k i l i c wrote:
iNcog wrote:quick

how many different shit post possibilities are there using only these 4 words:

stupid
logic
patch
nerf

4!=24


gratzz!!! :D :D u has figured it out

edit: (oops i hop no 1 red dat)
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I just hope DE is not going to implement all of the EP changes. Right now it is a big clusterfuck.
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Re: old han vs territorial

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the white pagoda doesnt give you disciple and hero upgrades. instead, it gives you 6/12/20/30 bisons.
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Re: old han vs territorial

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rofl this is a bug or a troll?!
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Re: old han vs territorial

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patch nerf china. logic? uninstall.

anyway, i think the new "old han reform" in ep2.0 should not cost 1000f again.

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