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30 Oct 2017, 13:34

https://www.apnews.com/3d81ee54ef3e4c86 ... ssia-probe

First set of charges come down in the Russia probe. Paul Manafort (who didn't see that coming) and Rick Gates. The next question is, how long before Mueller gets fired by Trump and will any Republicans grow a pair to call it for what it is.
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30 Oct 2017, 13:36

n0el wrote:before Mueller gets fired by Trump

That's possible?

What a joke.
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30 Oct 2017, 13:40

Technically, the DoJ is in charge, but Sessions (Attorney General) and Rosenstein (Deputy AG) report thru the office of the presidency. So they can be fired at Trump's direction.

The correct solution was for congress to appoint a special council, which they don't have the balls to do.
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30 Oct 2017, 13:47

n0el wrote:https://www.apnews.com/3d81ee54ef3e4c86a98fda87981cba44/Manafort,-Gates-indicted-in-first-charges-from-Russia-probe

First set of charges come down in the Russia probe. Paul Manafort (who didn't see that coming) and Rick Gates. The next question is, how long before Mueller gets fired by Trump and will any Republicans grow a pair to call it for what it is.


What is it then :?: :?:
Who can even say that a single voter was swung from this "meddeling"??
How is this different than USA meddeling "everywhere" else?
The real "steal" was from Sanders, and now NY has admittet and appologyzed (after it went to cort) that they purged 200 000 votes, in Brocklyn only :hmm: I really wonder how many it was in USA as a whole? But we will never find out, cos this fact only came up after a lawsuite was filed. If a person gives his/her vote 2 times, it will be jailtime to serve. I wonder how many in DNC NY will serve Jail time???
This is only one example of the scandal the 2016 election was - there are plenty where that came from :roll:

How about Clinton, when secretary of state, made arrangement for Russien companies to get hold of 20% of USA Uranium, while Clinton Foundation was generously donated to?? How about Bill Clinton having a meating with Putin in that same period when his wife was Secretary of State? Btw, Robert Mueler was a sentral figure in arranging that DEAL. He could possible get sacked over this now.

I mean, I find it troublesome with the Russian ties, but only in a corruption sense, and not in a voter stealing way.
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30 Oct 2017, 13:53

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n0el wrote:https://www.apnews.com/3d81ee54ef3e4c86a98fda87981cba44/Manafort,-Gates-indicted-in-first-charges-from-Russia-probe

First set of charges come down in the Russia probe. Paul Manafort (who didn't see that coming) and Rick Gates. The next question is, how long before Mueller gets fired by Trump and will any Republicans grow a pair to call it for what it is.


What is it then :?: :?:
Who can even say that a single voter was swung from this "meddeling"??
How is this different than USA meddeling "everywhere" else?
The real "steal" was from Sanders, and now NY has admittet and appologyzed (after it went to cort) that they purged 200 000 votes, in Brocklyn only :hmm: I really wonder how many it was in USA as a whole? But we will never find out, cos this fact only came up after a lawsuite was filed. If a person gives his/her vote 2 times, it will be jailtime to serve. I wonder how many in DNC NY will serve Jail time???
This is only one example of the scandal the 2016 election was - there are plenty where that came from :roll:

How about Clinton, when secretary of state, made arrangement for Russien companies to get hold of 20% of USA Uranium, while Clinton Foundation was generously donated to?? How about Bill Clinton having a meating with Putin in that same period when his wife was Secretary of State? Btw, Robert Mueler was a sentral figure in arranging that DEAL. He could possible get sacked over this now.

I mean, I find it troublesome with the Russian ties, but only in a corruption sense, and not in a voter stealing way.

Gotta start somewhere. The entire country is more corrupt than the average African nation; nothing new there.
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30 Oct 2017, 14:38

Sounds like another watergate and this is just like when the cashier's check from the Nixon Campaign was found in possession of one of the burglars. I am fairly certain that there is shady stuff going on, but I'd rather Trump just be under controversy for the next 3 years than have him get impeached and booted from office.
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30 Oct 2017, 15:12

:hehe: that is actueally a good point @Darwin_ Would wish they got that Clinton fraud and DNC while they are at it :unsure:
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30 Oct 2017, 15:12

Mr_Bramboy wrote:
iwillspankyou wrote:
n0el wrote:https://www.apnews.com/3d81ee54ef3e4c86a98fda87981cba44/Manafort,-Gates-indicted-in-first-charges-from-Russia-probe

First set of charges come down in the Russia probe. Paul Manafort (who didn't see that coming) and Rick Gates. The next question is, how long before Mueller gets fired by Trump and will any Republicans grow a pair to call it for what it is.


What is it then :?: :?:
Who can even say that a single voter was swung from this "meddeling"??
How is this different than USA meddeling "everywhere" else?
The real "steal" was from Sanders, and now NY has admittet and appologyzed (after it went to cort) that they purged 200 000 votes, in Brocklyn only :hmm: I really wonder how many it was in USA as a whole? But we will never find out, cos this fact only came up after a lawsuite was filed. If a person gives his/her vote 2 times, it will be jailtime to serve. I wonder how many in DNC NY will serve Jail time???
This is only one example of the scandal the 2016 election was - there are plenty where that came from :roll:

How about Clinton, when secretary of state, made arrangement for Russien companies to get hold of 20% of USA Uranium, while Clinton Foundation was generously donated to?? How about Bill Clinton having a meating with Putin in that same period when his wife was Secretary of State? Btw, Robert Mueler was a sentral figure in arranging that DEAL. He could possible get sacked over this now.

I mean, I find it troublesome with the Russian ties, but only in a corruption sense, and not in a voter stealing way.

Gotta start somewhere. The entire country is more corrupt than the average African nation; nothing new there.

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30 Oct 2017, 15:14

Darwin_ wrote:I am fairly certain that there is shady stuff going on, but I'd rather Trump just be under controversy for the next 3 years than have him get impeached and booted from office.


The ethics of a politician.
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30 Oct 2017, 15:21

He (Manafort) is being charged as an 'agent' of the govt. of Ukraine- this is in fact a minor infringement regarding legal but undisclosed activities some time ago- agent is being used here merely in the sense that your accountant is your agent etc.

Put that together with the fact that Ukraine is basically at low level war with Russia and you have yet another nothing burger as regards Trump/Russia.

Far more disturbing was the Clinton/DNC/Perkins Coie/Fusion GPS affair- but who cares about that................ my prediction- Mueller resigns over DNC and for years people say it was a Trump cover up. :salt:
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30 Oct 2017, 16:19

oats13 wrote:He (Manafort) is being charged as an 'agent' of the govt. of Ukraine- this is in fact a minor infringement regarding legal but undisclosed activities some time ago- agent is being used here merely in the sense that your accountant is your agent etc.

Put that together with the fact that Ukraine is basically at low level war with Russia and you have yet another nothing burger as regards Trump/Russia.

Far more disturbing was the Clinton/DNC/Perkins Coie/Fusion GPS affair- but who cares about that................ my prediction- Mueller resigns over DNC and for years people say it was a Trump cover up. :salt:
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30 Oct 2017, 16:43

Correct - why would I not vote Brexit? I like democracy- don't you?

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30 Oct 2017, 17:05

oats13 wrote:
Far more disturbing was the Clinton/DNC/Perkins Coie/Fusion GPS affair- but who cares about that................ my prediction- Mueller resigns over DNC and for years people say it was a Trump cover up. :salt:


What is disturbing about paying for opposition research? There was a Republican candidate also paying the firm for the dossier. I have yet to have someone explain what could possibly be an issue with this. Even most sane Republicans agree.
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30 Oct 2017, 17:06

oats13 wrote:Correct - why would I not vote Brexit? I like democracy- don't you?

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30 Oct 2017, 17:42

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30 Oct 2017, 17:53

n0el wrote:
oats13 wrote:
Far more disturbing was the Clinton/DNC/Perkins Coie/Fusion GPS affair- but who cares about that................ my prediction- Mueller resigns over DNC and for years people say it was a Trump cover up. :salt:


What is disturbing about paying for opposition research? There was a Republican candidate also paying the firm for the dossier. I have yet to have someone explain what could possibly be an issue with this. Even most sane Republicans agree.


Really? then find out why there are about a dozen federal election laws against exactly this.

The CNC complaint that went into the Federal Election Commitee yesterday says- ""The campaign and party "routed the money through the law firm Perkins Coie and described the purpose as 'legal services' on their FEC reports rather than research,"" ""By law, campaign and party committees must disclose the reason money is spent and its recipient.""
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30 Oct 2017, 18:06

Okay then prosecute it and be done. Someone should have disclosed it. It is hardly a scandal. Don't you agree?
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30 Oct 2017, 18:10

n0el wrote:Okay then prosecute it and be done. Someone should have disclosed it. It is hardly a scandal. Don't you agree?


Then by that measure neither is the Donald Trump jnr business as he merely turned up to hear potentially beneficial information rather than pay for it.............but surely you must appreciate the delicious irony of this in the face of the faux-outraged po-faced reactions of the hilary et al to equal but opposite stories?

TBH the fear here is that the dossier was not just paid for after completion but paid for to be completed- that must be investigated by any standard.
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30 Oct 2017, 18:40

It is hardly the same. Colluding with a enemy government isn't breaking a campaign finance law, it is treason. Hacking emails and voting databases isn't breaking campaign finance law, it is a cyber crime. The scale is much larger and more serious.

paying for a dossier is hardly illegal, even if not reporting the use of the money is (which seems like a stretch).
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30 Oct 2017, 19:07

n0el wrote:It is hardly the same. Colluding with a enemy government isn't breaking a campaign finance law, it is treason. Hacking emails and voting databases isn't breaking campaign finance law, it is a cyber crime. The scale is much larger and more serious.

paying for a dossier is hardly illegal, even if not reporting the use of the money is (which seems like a stretch).


Respectfully I disagree- those are only allegations, i'm pretty sure that the DNC part will turn out to be the more serious by virtue of the the most serious charges simply not being true.

The whole thing does draw into question the nature of lobbyists in general I think.
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30 Oct 2017, 19:15

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30 Oct 2017, 19:19

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30 Oct 2017, 19:21

Mr_Bramboy wrote:
n0el wrote:before Mueller gets fired by Trump

That's possible?

What a joke.


It would probably the actual beginning of the end for Trump though. Nixon did essentially that and that was what doomed his Presidency.
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30 Oct 2017, 19:42

oats13 wrote:
n0el wrote:It is hardly the same. Colluding with a enemy government isn't breaking a campaign finance law, it is treason. Hacking emails and voting databases isn't breaking campaign finance law, it is a cyber crime. The scale is much larger and more serious.

paying for a dossier is hardly illegal, even if not reporting the use of the money is (which seems like a stretch).


Respectfully I disagree- those are only allegations, i'm pretty sure that the DNC part will turn out to be the more serious.


You said yourself, Don jr. went to a meeting with an associate of the Russian government seeking help. That by definition is attempt to collude.
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30 Oct 2017, 19:53

n0el wrote:
oats13 wrote:
n0el wrote:It is hardly the same. Colluding with a enemy government isn't breaking a campaign finance law, it is treason. Hacking emails and voting databases isn't breaking campaign finance law, it is a cyber crime. The scale is much larger and more serious.

paying for a dossier is hardly illegal, even if not reporting the use of the money is (which seems like a stretch).


Respectfully I disagree- those are only allegations, i'm pretty sure that the DNC part will turn out to be the more serious.


You said yourself, Don jr. went to a meeting with an associate of the Russian government seeking help. That by definition is attempt to collude.


No sorry it just isn't- collude doesn't mean simply to engage in any way- you have to be colluding against something and that something has to be regarded as illegal to do so, otherwise holding a door open is collusion- the allegations are that parties colluded with Russia to undermine the election process- as yet there is zero evidence.

I suggest that this is because the proposition is absurd and desperate.
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