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10 Oct 2015, 03:21

Bernie Sanders for next president of USA - I think it would be a savior for USA - and the western world. Big company rules it all now - and people getting poorer - where are the rich gonna get their profit from next - it they cant suck it from you:
Are Bernie gonna win - or are the clown (you are fired!) gonna win???
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10 Oct 2015, 03:52

I for one think the whole system is rigged, even to the point of having great alternate candidates for the disenfranchised to get behind. This gives them a feeling of hope in the system instead of ranting about how no one represents them. Most of the things I have heard from Bernie sound very good cut also could be used to cut as a double edges sword.Until any one of them starts talking about getting rid of the federal reserve system then non of them are looking at the room cause of the problems to the economy and just offer bandage solutions that do not change anything. Without changing how money comes into existence and interest and fractional reserve lending there will always be more debt owed to the banks than can be payed back creating poverty. It is the greatest scam ever and it is financial slavery.
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10 Oct 2015, 03:56

Bernie Sanders talks about large scale changes in the economy and how he can make the wealth distribution more fair. All of this enfranchises the millennials but , there's not much substance as to his methodology and tbh his ideas probably won't work out well.
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10 Oct 2015, 05:14

Neither he nor Trump have any hope of getting their party's nomination. They are both too radical. . .
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10 Oct 2015, 05:37

Since all of the US presidents since the early 1950s have been the equivalents of multi-millionaires, while the median net wealth of Americans is only a little over $100,000, I'd say that the system is indeed rigged. However it always has been. If you think that the American Revolution was a war of the common people against their aristocratic British overlords then think again. The "founding fathers" were mostly members of the wealthy colonial British aristocracy. The adjusted net worth of George Washington is second only to that of John F. Kennedy among presidents. It's nearly impossible even to get elected to Congress unless you are wealthy or backed by those who are. At the national level, the US is a constitutional oligarchy masquerading as a democratic republic. No matter who wins, wealth is not going to be redistributed.
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10 Oct 2015, 07:22

yeah its practically a monarchy, 4 terms of bushes 2 terms of clintons, now facing chance of jeb bush or Hillary. the way i remember it bush still lost that second term... totally manipulated.
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10 Oct 2015, 11:11

A Bernie Sanders win would be the next worst thing to a Trump win.
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10 Oct 2015, 11:18

I agree to all of the above. But Obama was elected. Who would have thougt that?? And Bernies campaign reminds me of Obamas grassroots movement. I think there is hope. Bernie is getting all his funding from small donations - over 650 000 ppl have made small contributions (average of 30 dollars)
I also think he can do a better job than Obama, cos he has a lot of experience as a politician. The difference between rich and poor in America and England is grotesque - and it just has to stop sometime - almost like a natural law - the pending will turn.
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10 Oct 2015, 13:00

From what I have read, I like Bernie Sanders. Much better than Trump of course.

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10 Oct 2015, 13:16

Bernie*
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10 Oct 2015, 16:32

Donald Trump is like the Mark Rutte of the United States.
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10 Oct 2015, 16:36

bramboy wrote:Donald Trump is like the Mark Rutte of the United States.

I think its more appropriate to compare him with geert wilders.

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10 Oct 2015, 17:42

Donald trump just makes the whole thing look like a big comedy show. he lacks the poise and professionalism we need in a president.
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10 Oct 2015, 18:18

Sorry its just not him, and if you think otherwise please explain. he admitingly knows little about international politics and offers nothing I see as redeemable qualities best fitting the job. Now I still think they are all tools up there because they offer plans that never go to the real problem with the federal reserve banks... so really no one is worth my vote.
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10 Oct 2015, 19:11

howlingwolfpaw wrote:Sorry its just not him, and if you think otherwise please explain. he admitingly knows little about international politics and offers nothing I see as redeemable qualities best fitting the job. Now I still think they are all tools up there because they offer plans that never go to the real problem with the federal reserve banks... so really no one is worth my vote.
Thats so sad - that you dont bother to vote.
Im from a Scandinavian country - which Sanders refers to as a model for his politics. We have free health services, no fee to go to Universities - no minimum vages, instead the unions are strong and workers receive more fair payment. Mutch less gap between the head management and the workers. Old age and disability pension you can live a good life of. Almost no unemployment. So i would say that Sanders democratic socialism works pretty good here. We dont call it socialism though - but social-democracy.
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10 Oct 2015, 19:24

iwillspankyou wrote:I agree to all of the above. But Obama was elected.
Clarence Thomas was once asked if he ever thought that an African-American would be elected president. He said that he always knew it would happen when the elites approved of one.


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10 Oct 2015, 20:23

iwillspankyou wrote:
howlingwolfpaw wrote:Sorry its just not him, and if you think otherwise please explain. he admitingly knows little about international politics and offers nothing I see as redeemable qualities best fitting the job. Now I still think they are all tools up there because they offer plans that never go to the real problem with the federal reserve banks... so really no one is worth my vote.
Thats so sad - that you dont bother to vote.
Im from a Scandinavian country - whitch Sandlers refers to as a model for his politics. We have free helthservices, noo fee to go to Universities - no minimum vages, instead the unions are strong and workers receive more fair paiment. Mutch less gap between the headmanagement and the workers. Old age and disabilety pencion you can live a good life of. Almost no unemployment. So i would say that Sanders democratic sosialism works pretty good here. We dont call it sosialism though - but social-democracy.
Dont act like the nordic model doesnt have its own problems.


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howlingwolfpaw wrote:Donald trump just makes the whole thing look like a big comedy show. he lacks the poise and professionalism we need in a president.
We dont NEED poise and professionalism in a president. We need someone who can do the job, whomever that may be.




Did it ever occur to you that poise and professionalism are part of the job?
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10 Oct 2015, 20:36

Yeah I find it sad too. That truth is out of politics and I find that it means more to be a registered non voter than to vote for another puppet. None of them mean to create real change, just a different face towards the NWO which aims to destroy america. I'm not entirely sure how the European central banks work but in america all money is created out of debt and that is the reason no one can afford "the american dream" its all been an elaborate scam to transfer real wealth from imaginary wealth. This really is a world wide thing. I'm not sure of the economics of your country But I'm sure it is much easier to obtain with smaller size and populations that also have more of a cultural identity. I am by far not a capitalist and lean that way but for me its not really about the type of govt, but about the people who are in it. and the people we are selected to choose from are from the same clubs. I was a Ron Paul voter for a few times, even writing him in when he wasn't running anymore because he actually talked about the big banks. I just might vote for Berny Its really early to tell anything. I'd prefer he run as an independent though. We need to get out of the 2 parties because he will still need to stick to their platform, but he is right in what he speaks in that he tell we need a political revolution but he can't do it alone. I am also a little hesitant because he is Jewish (nothing to do with the faith at all i love my jewish friends) and I don't know if that means he is also a Zionist and I am not happy with Americas support in the wars over there and supporting the Zionist apartheid in Palestine.
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10 Oct 2015, 21:22

Certainly the Nordic model has flaws too. There is always room for improvements. Not Disneyland - but the social security we enjoy makes living here economical predictable. I guess we pay more taxes than USA, about 35 - 40 percent incometax and VAT 10 - 25 percent. But we dont need to pay expensive health insurances. If you get chronic sickness - you pay a fair share of the medicine and the state pay the rest. U dont have to sell your house or go bankrupt if you get sick. According to Sanders, one million americans go personal bankrupt cos they get sick - every year!!
You make a lot of good points howlingwolfpaw.
About religion: Sanders presents himself as "not a christian or religious".
I am impressed how he actually answer questions directly and honestly.
The reason im so interested in this issue (since im not from USA) is that I believe it will have great impact on the rest of the world. Donald Trump is looking like a clown and has very dangerous points of views - from most of Europe's perspective.
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10 Oct 2015, 21:50

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10 Oct 2015, 22:00

yeah id vote just not to have trump, but if its between trump or Hilary well, food luck to us all.... In America we pay about 50-60% in taxes whether they be hidden or not, income, sales, death tax, tax from retirement savings, land tax, specialty taxes, could say driving is a tax,,, it really adds up, but we do not get the services.... we pay for it in millitary which eats a lot. and the 30% we pay income tax to really just goes to pay the federal reserve bank interest we owe for them printing our money for us and loaning it to us. I for one think anything mandated like health insurance should be socially subsidized. Same with Driving registration and more. There really is so much natural wealth the world provides but it is being siphoned to a very few and the tools they use to do that is the money system itself. I could only imagine what america must look like to a country like yours. For the most part people are either chemically attacked (pesticides, fluoride, preservatives, chlorine) not making them really care more than whats in entertainment or feeling helpless to do anything because no one listens. But the Gov't itself is not speaking for public opinion.
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10 Oct 2015, 22:52

frycookofdoom wrote:
iwillspankyou wrote:Thats so sad - that you dont bother to vote.
Im from a Scandinavian country - whitch Sandlers refers to as a model for his politics. We have free helthservices, noo fee to go to Universities - no minimum vages, instead the unions are strong and workers receive more fair paiment. Mutch less gap between the headmanagement and the workers. Old age and disabilety pencion you can live a good life of. Almost no unemployment. So i would say that Sanders democratic sosialism works pretty good here. We dont call it sosialism though - but social-democracy.
Dont act like the nordic model doesnt have its own problems.


evilcheadar wrote:We dont NEED poise and professionalism in a president. We need someone who can do the job, whomever that may be.


Did it ever occur to you that poise and professionalism are part of the job?
Ha no that never occurred to me because Im not a moron.
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10 Oct 2015, 22:53

Yes friends, go ahead and vote for the candidate the comes across as the "coolest" and most chill.
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10 Oct 2015, 23:24

evilcheadar wrote:
frycookofdoom wrote:Dont act like the nordic model doesnt have its own problems.



Did it ever occur to you that poise and professionalism are part of the job?
Ha no that never occurred to me because Im not a moron.
The president has to be able to encourage people to accept his views. His whole job is centered on reaching agreements and establishing compromise. How can he do that if he cant convince the world to take him seriously?
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10 Oct 2015, 23:30

frycookofdoom wrote:
evilcheadar wrote:Ha no that never occurred to me because Im not a moron.
The president has to be able to encourage people to accept his views. His whole job is centered on reaching agreements and establishing compromise. How can he do that if he cant convince the world to take him seriously?
In the event that Trump does get elected to the office of the president of the united states, people will be forced to take him seriously on the soul basis that he wields the power that comes with that office. I know that Trump comes off as brash but he is capable of fielding a compromise regardless of the number of inane internet memes attacking his hairstyle and random character flaws.
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