Settler Wagon build rate

[Kappatain]

Hey guys, do Settler Wagon's build faster than 2 villies? If so, is it 2.5x the rate?

(Yes, I googled it, couldn't find anything. Maybe I'm bad at googling xP...but if anyone has the exact speed of building relative to a villager, I'd be grateful )

[_NiceKING_]

Looking at the game files, settlers have 1.0 build rate and SW have 2.0 build rate.

[Goodspeed]

Hey guys, do Settler Wagon's build faster than 2 villies? If so, is it 2.5x the rate?

They do build faster than 2 vills, I think because they have x2 the build speed while 2 vills don't build twice as fast as 1 vill. Not sure about the numbers

[momuuu]

Hey guys, do Settler Wagon's build faster than 2 villies? If so, is it 2.5x the rate?

They do build faster than 2 vills, I think because they have x2 the build speed while 2 vills don't build twice as fast as 1 vill. Not sure about the numbers

Actually I think SWs build faster in general too.

[lordraphael]

did any1 actually read mitoes german guide ?

Settler Wagons (SW) provide the backbone of Germany's economy. Each SW is equivalent to 2 Settlers, but do have some advantages over regular Settlers that occasionally prove useful. For example: SWs construct buildings significantly faster than Settlers; tasking more than 1 Settler to building a building only increases the construction time by 25%, rather than doubling it. This means that if you were to use 2 Settlers to build a building you would only construct it at 125% the of the normal speed. SWs, however, construct buildings 300% faster than an ordinary Settler, which means you are actually saving time by using a SW than a normal settler. This is a small thing, but overtime you will save yourself some Villager Seconds by using SWs to construct buildings over Settlers, so long as you don't spend too much time walking to and from your resources to do so. This can also save you a lot of grief if you're about to pop a batch of units and use a SW to construct the house instead of a Settler. Additionally, you can transition to mills and plantations more efficiently than other civs, because you can essentially place the equivalent of 20 Settlers on a single mill or plantation. This rarely comes into play, but it can be helpful nonetheless. To top it all off, the fact that SWs have 30% ranged resistance and take a lot of time to kill makes them useful in holding important timings and blocking enemy unit pathing around your Town Center.

[momuuu]

If you make 1 SW build 2 houses, is that faster than when you task two vills to each build 1 house?

[yemshi]

You should always build your houses with one vill if possible. Reason for that is that you don't lose 5 villagers for the 5secs it needs to build that house. It's rather insignificant though.

[Mitoe]

@lordraphael

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Actually I just checked and apparently I'm wrong XD it is only 2x as fast as NiceKing pointed out. Thinking about it I'm not sure where I got the notion that it was 3x.

So you don't actually SAVE villager seconds by constructing buildings with a Settler Wagon, but if you need a building constructed quickly, at least it's still better to use a Settler Wagon than 2 villagers because you won't LOSE any villager seconds.

@Jerom

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It's the same speed. A villager spends 10 seconds constructing a house while a Settler Wagon spends 5.

Edit: I just discovered something very interesting. If you task both a Settler Wagon and a Settler to construct a house, it actually INCREASES the build time of the house by 1 second. So instead of taking 5 seconds to construct the house with a Settler Wagon it takes 6. Wtf? I tried this again with a barracks and used 1 SW to construct 1 rax while using 1 SW and 1 villager to construct a 2nd rax, and it took MORE time for the SW and villager to construct the rax than the 1 SW.

So yeah. NEVER use a Settler with a Settler Wagon to construct a building. EVER.

Edit2: Just tested this again with a building that takes longer to construct like a TP. It took 1 SW 30 seconds to construct a TP, but it took a SW + Settler ~50 seconds.

[Garja]

SW do build faster than 2 vills, it is probably because of walking time.

[Aizamk]

@lordraphael

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Actually I just checked and apparently I'm wrong XD it is only 2x as fast as NiceKing pointed out. Thinking about it I'm not sure where I got the notion that it was 3x.

So you don't actually SAVE villager seconds by constructing buildings with a Settler Wagon, but if you need a building constructed quickly, at least it's still better to use a Settler Wagon than 2 villagers because you won't LOSE any villager seconds.

@Jerom

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It's the same speed. A villager spends 10 seconds constructing a house while a Settler Wagon spends 5.

Edit: I just discovered something very interesting. If you task both a Settler Wagon and a Settler to construct a house, it actually INCREASES the build time of the house by 1 second. So instead of taking 5 seconds to construct the house with a Settler Wagon it takes 6. Wtf? I tried this again with a barracks and used 1 SW to construct 1 rax while using 1 SW and 1 villager to construct a 2nd rax, and it took MORE time for the SW and villager to construct the rax than the 1 SW.

So yeah. NEVER use a Settler with a Settler Wagon to construct a building. EVER.

Edit2: Just tested this again with a building that takes longer to construct like a TP. It took 1 SW 30 seconds to construct a TP, but it took a SW + Settler ~50 seconds.

STOP OBSERVING THEM, MITOE! THEY BEHAVE DIFFERENTLY WHEN OBSERVED!

[edeholland]

@lordraphael

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Actually I just checked and apparently I'm wrong XD it is only 2x as fast as NiceKing pointed out. Thinking about it I'm not sure where I got the notion that it was 3x.

So you don't actually SAVE villager seconds by constructing buildings with a Settler Wagon, but if you need a building constructed quickly, at least it's still better to use a Settler Wagon than 2 villagers because you won't LOSE any villager seconds.

@Jerom

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It's the same speed. A villager spends 10 seconds constructing a house while a Settler Wagon spends 5.

Edit: I just discovered something very interesting. If you task both a Settler Wagon and a Settler to construct a house, it actually INCREASES the build time of the house by 1 second. So instead of taking 5 seconds to construct the house with a Settler Wagon it takes 6. Wtf? I tried this again with a barracks and used 1 SW to construct 1 rax while using 1 SW and 1 villager to construct a 2nd rax, and it took MORE time for the SW and villager to construct the rax than the 1 SW.

So yeah. NEVER use a Settler with a Settler Wagon to construct a building. EVER.

Edit2: Just tested this again with a building that takes longer to construct like a TP. It took 1 SW 30 seconds to construct a TP, but it took a SW + Settler ~50 seconds.

STOP OBSERVING THEM, MITOE! THEY BEHAVE DIFFERENTLY WHEN OBSERVED!

Schrödingers Settler Wagons have always behaved weirdly.

[fei123456]

1 settler wagon=2.5 settler at building/opening crates.

and building speed: in fact it's similar to asian wonders. so it's always the most cost-effective way to build with one vill, and building with 5+ vills will waste quite a lot of resources. try to avoid them when not necessary.

[Goodspeed]

Edit: I just discovered something very interesting. If you task both a Settler Wagon and a Settler to construct a house, it actually INCREASES the build time of the house by 1 second. So instead of taking 5 seconds to construct the house with a Settler Wagon it takes 6. Wtf? I tried this again with a barracks and used 1 SW to construct 1 rax while using 1 SW and 1 villager to construct a 2nd rax, and it took MORE time for the SW and villager to construct the rax than the 1 SW.

So yeah. NEVER use a Settler with a Settler Wagon to construct a building. EVER.

Edit2: Just tested this again with a building that takes longer to construct like a TP. It took 1 SW 30 seconds to construct a TP, but it took a SW + Settler ~50 seconds.

Haha you gotta love bugs like these

[Mitoe]

I'm just crying about all the times in age 1 where I barely get enough wood for the house in time and I put a SW + a vill on it and lose time :(

It's not big enough to really matter, but still makes me sad.

[deleted_user]

With this knowledge Mitoe is probably the favorite to the tourney now.

[momuuu]

With this knowledge Mitoe is probably the favorite to the tourney now.

but he just shared it

[macacoalbino]

SW do build faster than 2 vills, it is probably because of walking time.

Walking time while constructing? What do you mean?

[Garja]

vills don't start building at the same time. Also each vill decrease the building time by just 5 secs, so ye one SW is much faster than 2 vills except for houses.

[Kaiserklein]

1 SW builds twice as fast as 1 vil. However, the building speed isn't linear, e.g 2 vils don't build twice as fast as 1 vil. I remember you actually need 4 vils to build twice as fast as 1 vil (or as fast as 1 SW). Not sure about 2 and 3 vils, they probs build somewhere around 1.5 times faster than 1 vil.
That's why you always try to use SWs to build stuff as ger, because they build fast, and if you used vils you'd need to put 4 vils on each building to be as fast as 1 SW, which is obviously a waste of 2 vils not gathering meanwhile.

[macacoalbino]

vills don't start building at the same time. Also each vill decrease the building time by just 5 secs, so ye one SW is much faster than 2 vills except for houses.

Ok, i thought you were answering the housing question ^^

[SenorCallen]

With this knowledge Mitoe is probably the favorite to the tourney now.

please no more jokes on this

[noissance]

what about 2 settler wagons on a building?

[Mitoe]

what about 2 settler wagons on a building?

2 SWs on a building is 25% faster than 1 SW (if I remember my testing correctly). So it's pretty wasteful as well.

[pecelot]

1 SW builds twice as fast as 1 vil. However, the building speed isn't linear, e.g 2 vils don't build twice as fast as 1 vil. I remember you actually need 4 vils to build twice as fast as 1 vil (or as fast as 1 SW). Not sure about 2 and 3 vils, they probs build somewhere around 1.5 times faster than 1 vil.
That's why you always try to use SWs to build stuff as ger, because they build fast, and if you used vils you'd need to put 4 vils on each building to be as fast as 1 SW, which is obviously a waste of 2 vils not gathering meanwhile.

I'm surprised you're the first one to mention this, obviously 1 SW>2 vills because 2 vills don't build twice as fast as one vill

[Kaiserklein]

I'm not the first one to mention it