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by Kevsoft
19 Jul 2019, 07:36
Forum: ESOC Patch Discussion
Topic: Poll: Crate gathering in batches
Replies: 35
Views: 597
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Re: Poll: Crate gathering in batches

Kynesie wrote:
EAGLEMUT wrote:
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According to Kev, it's roughly 4% more in multiplayer.

Can we consider that both players are affected in the same way or there are possible inequalities? In this case, i .....
by Kevsoft
10 Jul 2019, 08:38
Forum: User-created Content
Topic: ESOC-flavored UHC2
Replies: 7
Views: 472
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Re: ESOC-flavored UHC2

A quick not regarding selectionLimit: Depending on the value change it may break recs. Don't think that it would on an increase of the selectionLimit, but could break on an decrease of the value. We will do some tests to see if it is safe on an increase of the limit.
by Kevsoft
06 Jul 2019, 15:29
Forum: General
Topic: Gathering rate is not balanced!
Replies: 72
Views: 1984
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Re: Gathering rate is not balanced!

Dawn_ wrote:Well, i tried a lot and i mean a lot of testings in this. Kevsoft do you have the oppertunity to see the logs in our game?

Especially when bots are in the game the gathering rates rises up in different ages. In szenario or online. Against player's i tried it 5-10 times and it didnt worke .....
by Kevsoft
03 Jul 2019, 06:58
Forum: General
Topic: Gathering rate is not balanced!
Replies: 72
Views: 1984
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Re: Gathering rate is not balanced!

VooDoo_BoSs wrote:Sorry - can you please explain how to interpret the code? Not sure what it's showing.


If you mean the last log line, it just shows the current number of double gathers per player (p0 = gaia [obviously 0], p1 = player 1, ect...)

If you mean the last log dump:

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by Kevsoft
02 Jul 2019, 06:16
Forum: General
Topic: Gathering rate is not balanced!
Replies: 72
Views: 1984
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Re: Gathering rate is not balanced!

VooDoo_BoSs wrote:Any update on this?

Also wondering if there's any impact on the mechanics if another multiplayer is present. Will the animations sync, or is it possible for Player A, villager 1 to gather at a different rate to Player B, villager 1, even if they're both going from the same source?

Is .....
by Kevsoft
29 Jun 2019, 19:11
Forum: General
Topic: Gathering rate is not balanced!
Replies: 72
Views: 1984
Flag: Austria

Re: Gathering rate is not balanced!

Nah, I didn't capture the gold values here in this log. I'll do a rerun of a test log later with the actual gold current value.

For reference:
Pos is the new anim position between 0 and the animation length.
Clock is the time elapsed since the unit has spawned.

Both values are seconds here as float valu .....

by Kevsoft
29 Jun 2019, 19:04
Forum: General
Topic: Gathering rate is not balanced!
Replies: 72
Views: 1984
Flag: Austria

Re: Gathering rate is not balanced!

Sorry, my bad, the first 12 lines were from the walking animation. Skip these. The gathering begins at L13 @

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[29.06.2019 19:48:43.231953800 +02:00] [thread 24052] [trace] Compute Anim/Finished [clock = 0.021] with [old-pos = 1.5830, pos = 0.0039, o .....
by Kevsoft
29 Jun 2019, 18:31
Forum: General
Topic: Gathering rate is not balanced!
Replies: 72
Views: 1984
Flag: Austria

Re: Gathering rate is not balanced!

Dolan wrote:Is self-calc-new-pos the new position from which each animation starts again? Or does the animation sometimes end earlier without completing?


Totally irrelevant here. The relevant value here is

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pos = x.xxx
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Concerning MP I did some test with musk. Here is the result:


Good ne .....
by Kevsoft
29 Jun 2019, 17:48
Forum: General
Topic: Gathering rate is not balanced!
Replies: 72
Views: 1984
Flag: Austria

Re: Gathering rate is not balanced!

Well, given that it uses floats internally it can happen that it doesn't update for a swing. I also noticed that if there is that double gather you also hear. Especially on a mine you will hear it twice in a row.
by Kevsoft
29 Jun 2019, 16:36
Forum: General
Topic: Gathering rate is not balanced!
Replies: 72
Views: 1984
Flag: Austria

Re: Gathering rate is not balanced!

@Dolan

I'm kinda shocked right now, because I haven't tested it for a longer duration. But now having one vill collecting at one mine for like 5 min, that is the result here:


Every time the pos is at 1.59** there will be a duplicate call directly behind it.

Currently tested on RE with Portuguese.

I'll .....

by Kevsoft
29 Jun 2019, 14:23
Forum: General
Topic: Gathering rate is not balanced!
Replies: 72
Views: 1984
Flag: Austria

Re: Gathering rate is not balanced!

Okay, so the whole gathering mechanic in this engine is just a mess. I've spend now some time in looking deeper into this issue because those spikes are interesting indeed.

To qoute:

Dolan wrote:Very rarely, if one vill gathers on a tree, that trickle of incoming wood seems to jump by 2 :wood:

So yea, that's .....
by Kevsoft
29 Jun 2019, 06:52
Forum: General
Topic: Gathering rate is not balanced!
Replies: 72
Views: 1984
Flag: Austria

Re: Gathering rate is not balanced!

dunno if the rates are different between EP and RE, but the test was done on RE. I've played as the ottos if that makes any difference.

What I kinda find weird however is this:

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[29.06.2019 08:13:45.004388000 +02:00] [thread 6060] [trace] Animation Loop Update wi .....
by Kevsoft
29 Jun 2019, 06:17
Forum: General
Topic: Gathering rate is not balanced!
Replies: 72
Views: 1984
Flag: Austria

Re: Gathering rate is not balanced!

@Dolan sure, one euro settler on wood:

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[29.06.2019 08:10:15.636104000 +02:00] [thread 6060] [trace] Animation Loop Update with gather state! --> Gather value update (from 302.6667 to 303.3333)
[29.06.2019 08:10:16.710467000 +02:00] [thread 6060 .....
by Kevsoft
29 Jun 2019, 04:22
Forum: News
Topic: ESOC Patch 6.1.1.0 released with multiplayer save/restore!
Replies: 52
Views: 1904
Flag: Austria

Re: ESOC Patch 6.1.1.0 released with multiplayer save/restore!

Kaiserklein wrote:People are getting logged off randomly all the time atm, not sure what's going on

Like crashing or dc from the game?
by Kevsoft
29 Jun 2019, 04:21
Forum: General
Topic: Gathering rate is not balanced!
Replies: 72
Views: 1984
Flag: Austria

Re: Gathering rate is not balanced!

Dolan wrote:@Kevsoft So what are we seeing in that log? One villager gathering which resource? Is the villager updating the gathered resource from 0 to 5.3 at second 2? Is resource quantity actually counted by the game engine using floats? Then converted to integers to display in the UI?


Basically, .....
by Kevsoft
28 Jun 2019, 18:45
Forum: General
Topic: Gathering rate is not balanced!
Replies: 72
Views: 1984
Flag: Austria

Re: Gathering rate is not balanced!

Dolphincup wrote:seems like this couldn't possibly be caused by animation-length inconsistencies as dawn_ has seen dramatic increases in work-rate where animation inconsistencies could only cause you to collect more slowly. and these cycles should definitely average out considering the lengths of hi .....
by Kevsoft
28 Jun 2019, 18:03
Forum: News
Topic: ESOC Patch 6.1.1.0 released with multiplayer save/restore!
Replies: 52
Views: 1904
Flag: Austria

Re: ESOC Patch 6.1.1.0 released with multiplayer save/restore!

Mitoe wrote:@EAGLEMUT @Kevsoft would it be possible to include a "savegame" button in the drop-player screen as well? That way you can save the game before the other player drops and resume when they reconnect.


In case we're talking about the same thing:
EAGLEMUT wrote:- The "Unresponsi .....
by Kevsoft
28 Jun 2019, 13:53
Forum: General
Topic: Gathering rate is not balanced!
Replies: 72
Views: 1984
Flag: Austria

Re: Gathering rate is not balanced!

I just tested it regarding the farm:
When a vill is gathering on the farm and walks around it has the GotoState and then no food is actively gathered. Also, if the animation doesn't get complete before the switch to the goto state, then the resources are lost too. So that would probably explain the .....

by Kevsoft
28 Jun 2019, 11:02
Forum: General
Topic: Gathering rate is not balanced!
Replies: 72
Views: 1984
Flag: Austria

Re: Gathering rate is not balanced!

Interesting enough the gathering of resources is bound to the animation loop rather than the update loop.

For those who are interested how the gather resource update is calculated:
Animation Length * Target Unit Work Rate (Farm, Berries, ect...) * Global Work Rate * Handicap
by Kevsoft
27 Jun 2019, 07:32
Forum: ESOC Patch Discussion
Topic: EP 6.1.x Beta [RELEASED-LIVE]
Replies: 316
Views: 8512
Flag: Austria

Re: EP 6.1.x Beta [2019-06-26]

It's interesting that most of the restore features were already implemented all along. There was still work to be done to make it properly workable (savegame file transfere, adding the option for hosting savegames, savegame browser, ect...), but it was worth the effort.

One thing I'd like to note is .....

by Kevsoft
10 Jun 2019, 08:17
Forum: News
Topic: ESOC Patch 6.1.0.0 released with next-generation UHC!
Replies: 22
Views: 1131
Flag: Austria

Re: ESOC Patch 6.1.0.0 released with next-generation UHC!

I just wanna say that I am glad that everything went well, beside the one or the other small issue. UHC2 not only benefits ESOC but also for research and improvements regarding AOEO given that both are based on the same engine. So I'd say it is a win for both communities.
by Kevsoft
11 May 2019, 19:00
Forum: Tournament Information and Discussion
Topic: Thar Desert Clarification
Replies: 19
Views: 631
Flag: Austria

Re: Thar Desert Clarification

SirCallen wrote:Game will say "only 8 villagers can build X at a time" even though there are no vills graphically building it.


Yea, this is completely related the to that the other bug. The thing is that each building as an additional counter on how many vills work on a building. Now if you .....

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