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by oats13
08 Jun 2020, 12:03
Forum: Real-life Discussion
Topic: US riots
Replies: 2679
Views: 30993
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Re: US riots

"The actions of a few black people, on the other hand, do not reflect in any way on the entire black population." But patently they do- because racism exists. No, they don't. They only do if you consider racists to be right. They are not right. By extension of your argument if 60% or 99% ...
by oats13
08 Jun 2020, 11:44
Forum: Real-life Discussion
Topic: US riots
Replies: 2679
Views: 30993
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Re: US riots

Mental gymnastics to justify latent racism, ok. Ngl, that is how it looks. So- because, like Jerom, I think that judging all black people by the behaviour of a few is both logically and morally wrong, that I also think that judging the behaviour of all Police by the actions of a few is also both lo...
by oats13
08 Jun 2020, 11:38
Forum: Real-life Discussion
Topic: US riots
Replies: 2679
Views: 30993
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Re: US riots

Precisely- you concede that the second part of the argument is fallacious and that's all that concerns me, I believe the reason that [mention]u11413[/mention] posted in that particular way was specifically to violently juxtapose the two subjects because some people here have been condemning prejudi...
by oats13
08 Jun 2020, 10:20
Forum: Real-life Discussion
Topic: US riots
Replies: 2679
Views: 30993
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Re: US riots

Precisely- you concede that the second part of the argument is fallacious and that's all that concerns me, I believe the reason that [mention]u11413[/mention] posted in that particular way was specifically to violently juxtapose the two subjects because some people here have been condemning prejudi...
by oats13
08 Jun 2020, 10:07
Forum: Real-life Discussion
Topic: US riots
Replies: 2679
Views: 30993
Flag: Great Britain

Re: US riots

[mention]u14702[/mention] " It seems foolish to be doing so when to counter the argument, "All policemen are bad", you merely have to show an example of one policeman not being bad." Precisely- you concede that the second part of the argument is fallacious and that's all that con...
by oats13
07 Jun 2020, 22:17
Forum: Real-life Discussion
Topic: US riots
Replies: 2679
Views: 30993
Flag: Great Britain

Re: US riots

I saw a black man loot a store. All black people are cunts. I saw a police officer rough up someone. All police officers are cunts. Surely you can see the very false equivalence here? You don't choose to be black. You do choose to be a police officer. Is someone inherently "Bad" because t...
by oats13
07 Jun 2020, 21:24
Forum: Real-life Discussion
Topic: US riots
Replies: 2679
Views: 30993
Flag: Great Britain

Re: US riots

I saw a black man loot a store. All black people are cunts. I saw a police officer rough up someone. All police officers are cunts. Surely you can see the very false equivalence here? You don't choose to be black. You do choose to be a police officer. Is someone inherently "Bad" because t...
by oats13
07 Jun 2020, 21:16
Forum: Real-life Discussion
Topic: US riots
Replies: 2679
Views: 30993
Flag: Great Britain

Re: US riots

[mention]u1650[/mention] could you explain the second paragraph. I follow the first one but I don't follow the second. In the first paragraph I'm saying to make the claim that their is false equivalence by kind one would have have to demonstrate that Jerom is making a point based on some unequal ch...
by oats13
07 Jun 2020, 20:22
Forum: Real-life Discussion
Topic: US riots
Replies: 2679
Views: 30993
Flag: Great Britain

Re: US riots

I saw a black man loot a store. All black people are cunts. I saw a police officer rough up someone. All police officers are cunts. Jerom has literally posted two sentences where the logical fallacy is the same but the subjects are not, the idea that that invited a comparison of the two subjects is...
by oats13
06 Jun 2020, 17:02
Forum: Real-life Discussion
Topic: US Politics Megathread
Replies: 31381
Views: 393410
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Re: 2020 US Elections

The transparent troglodyte was arguing a specific claim, and the facts don't match that so he moves on to the next distraction etc.
by oats13
06 Jun 2020, 12:05
Forum: Real-life Discussion
Topic: US riots
Replies: 2679
Views: 30993
Flag: Great Britain

Re: Minneapolis riots

chris1089 wrote:There is a protest on Sunday in the middle of Suffolk (a rural county) in the UK.
The Hobbiton resistance will never surrender!
by oats13
04 Jun 2020, 21:24
Forum: Real-life Discussion
Topic: COVID-19 / Coronavirus Outbreak
Replies: 8686
Views: 127558
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Re: COVID-19 / Coronavirus Outbreak

A former MI6 chief has said he believes the origins of the coronavirus pandemic can be traced to the virus accidentally escaping from a Chinese laboratory. Speaking on The Daily Telegraph's Planet Normal podcast, Sir Richard Dearlove, who spent 38 years with Britain's intelligence service, said he ...
by oats13
04 Jun 2020, 13:45
Forum: Real-life Discussion
Topic: US riots
Replies: 2679
Views: 30993
Flag: Great Britain

Re: Minneapolis riots

Idiots clamber over national memorials-

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Police ritually surrenders-

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by oats13
03 Jun 2020, 15:07
Forum: Real-life Discussion
Topic: US riots
Replies: 2679
Views: 30993
Flag: Great Britain

Re: Minneapolis riots

[mention]u5149[/mention] Here's a more balanced article on that FBI report: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-minneapolis-police-protests-extremist/u-s-security-assessment-offers-limited-evidence-extremists-drive-protests-idUSKBN23A1KU In part of a June 1 internal, intelligence assessment of the p...
by oats13
03 Jun 2020, 14:59
Forum: Real-life Discussion
Topic: US riots
Replies: 2679
Views: 30993
Flag: Great Britain

Re: Minneapolis riots

The argument is that if more whites have money then it is indeed racist. Discuss. obvsly i dont think it is. no matter white, black, brown, green, w.e. color, u gonna be better off with money xD That is indeed true, I think the problem is people interchange personal,institutional and effective raci...
by oats13
03 Jun 2020, 14:15
Forum: Real-life Discussion
Topic: US riots
Replies: 2679
Views: 30993
Flag: Great Britain

Re: Minneapolis riots

I am not sure how the justice system works in Europe, so I have nothing to compare it to. Here is two examples. First, cocaine law. Crack cocaine (black drug) and powder cocaine (white drug) are enforced completely differently. It takes 500 grams of powder to get the same sentence as 5 grams of cra...
by oats13
03 Jun 2020, 13:34
Forum: Real-life Discussion
Topic: US riots
Replies: 2679
Views: 30993
Flag: Great Britain

Re: Minneapolis riots

I understand that the specific laws on crack and cocaine have been changed- https://americanaddictioncenters.org/cocaine-treatment/differences-with-crack Apparently the original 100>1 ratio was designed to reflect how much coke was needed to make crack, but according to the above it has been reduced...
by oats13
02 Jun 2020, 11:52
Forum: Real-life Discussion
Topic: US riots
Replies: 2679
Views: 30993
Flag: Great Britain

Re: Minneapolis riots

We have a group of lads that come in to use the hall for what I believe is called 'break-dancing' and they listen to 'rap-music' on their 'boom-box'- nice bunch of lads but we do have to filter some of the music, after all this is a vicarage :flowers: . Most of what they called classic hip-hop was f...
by oats13
01 Jun 2020, 22:16
Forum: Real-life Discussion
Topic: US riots
Replies: 2679
Views: 30993
Flag: Great Britain

Re: Minneapolis riots

And that.
by oats13
01 Jun 2020, 22:12
Forum: Real-life Discussion
Topic: US riots
Replies: 2679
Views: 30993
Flag: Great Britain

Re: Minneapolis riots

So what now, is there going to be a third independent autopsy, that is not paid for either by the state or the family, but maybe done in Switzerland, for extra neutrality, considering that basically nobody in the USA can be trusted to not be politically involved in this story right now? More or less.
by oats13
01 Jun 2020, 20:47
Forum: Real-life Discussion
Topic: US riots
Replies: 2679
Views: 30993
Flag: Great Britain

Re: Minneapolis riots

There are four options. IMO. The guy was well aware of the repercussions of his action through training, the coroner strongly links this action to the COD and some measure of intent can be proven- Murder 1. The guy is charged with 1 and cops a plea, the coroner doesn't link the action strongly or la...
by oats13
01 Jun 2020, 19:00
Forum: Real-life Discussion
Topic: US Politics Megathread
Replies: 31381
Views: 393410
Flag: Great Britain

Re: 2020 US Elections

One worry still is voter suppression. If COVID is still a thing in November (which is looking likely), the GOP will use it to find even more ways to stop people from voting. And claim fraud and not step down even if Biden wins. This is the nightmare scenario. We had this situation in England with o...
by oats13
01 Jun 2020, 18:06
Forum: Real-life Discussion
Topic: Thanks
Replies: 7
Views: 155
Flag: Great Britain

Re: Thanks

It's about snooker, but I hijacked it to talk about the organisation of the church of England. Well, I was hoping to broach the subject of the contretemps going on now stateside via a happy medium but perhaps snooker is not viable Transatlantic frame work for discussion? What I really feel is that ...
by oats13
01 Jun 2020, 17:56
Forum: Real-life Discussion
Topic: US riots
Replies: 2679
Views: 30993
Flag: Great Britain

Re: Minneapolis riots

brick stacks? https://deepclips.com/clip/4951/insurrection-pallets-of-bricks-are-being-pre-staged-in-flashpoint-cities-across-the-country?fbclid=IwAR3yPhLz7QIbGkv1UiicOlnyn_fI0ByyBr7qcLPRqK2ASstRyGbLj7kt6H0 Oh god, you mean to say that rioters are using those brick for ill-deeds? this is exactly wh...

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