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KOTOW Statistics

Posted: 28 Jul 2022, 11:52
by EAGLEMUT
Civilization statistics after Q6:
KOTOW stats q6.png
Civilization statistics after Q4:
KOTOW stats Q4.png
Civilization statistics after Q3:
KOTOW stats q3.png

Re: KOTOW Statistics

Posted: 28 Jul 2022, 12:21
by Miyawaki Sakura
delete inca plz

Re: KOTOW Statistics

Posted: 28 Jul 2022, 12:24
by Rohbrot
Miyawaki Sakura wrote:
28 Jul 2022, 12:21
delete inca plz
I think out of these 4 games Kynesie played at least 3.
:chinese:

Re: KOTOW Statistics

Posted: 28 Jul 2022, 13:15
by Lukas_L99
#buffJapan and #nerfDutch

Re: KOTOW Statistics

Posted: 28 Jul 2022, 14:08
by helln00
welp im responsible for 14% of the chinese losses, so the rate should be higher lol

Re: KOTOW Statistics

Posted: 28 Jul 2022, 14:24
by Garja
Those numbers are only good for forum gossip. With the sheer variance of the game itself and the fact that the playerbase plays far from what is theoretically optimal those numbers mean absolutely nothing for civ balance.
Second column definetely more relevant than the 5th one.

Re: KOTOW Statistics

Posted: 28 Jul 2022, 14:46
by GKShaman
Haudi, Lakota, and Ottomans seem to have some advantage on some european maps. Theres enough data to show some pattern. Now why those civs on Euro Maps I wonder.

Re: KOTOW Statistics

Posted: 28 Jul 2022, 14:58
by kaister
GKShaman wrote:
28 Jul 2022, 14:46
Haudi, Lakota, and Ottomans seem to have some advantage on some european maps. Theres enough data to show some pattern. Now why those civs on Euro Maps I wonder.
maybe the 3 tp choo choo train for free on england has something to do with the win rate

Re: KOTOW Statistics

Posted: 28 Jul 2022, 15:01
by minimoult21
Cool numbers, but they really don’t have much meaning. Does this include mirrors?

Edit: By not meaning much I mean that there is more of a story behind civs having high win rates than just balance. I think the pick rate because it’s blind pick is more telling of balance than the win rate.

Re: KOTOW Statistics

Posted: 28 Jul 2022, 15:08
by Rohbrot
helln00 wrote:
28 Jul 2022, 14:08
welp im responsible for 14% of the chinese losses, so the rate should be higher lol
:lol:

Re: KOTOW Statistics

Posted: 28 Jul 2022, 15:31
by EAGLEMUT
minimoult21 wrote:
28 Jul 2022, 15:01
Does this include mirrors?
Yes.

Re: KOTOW Statistics

Posted: 28 Jul 2022, 15:50
by Rohbrot
@EAGLEMUT Who has done this Statistic? Great thing to do, for sure.

Re: KOTOW Statistics

Posted: 28 Jul 2022, 15:56
by EAGLEMUT
Rohbrot wrote:
28 Jul 2022, 15:50
@EAGLEMUT Who has done this Statistic? Great thing to do, for sure.
I've put it together based on data ESOC has from parsed recorded games. Will post updates after each qualifier is finished.

Re: KOTOW Statistics

Posted: 28 Jul 2022, 16:52
by Narida
All the numbers seem to back up the consensus IMO

Re: KOTOW Statistics

Posted: 28 Jul 2022, 21:31
by hidden_blaze
EAGLEMUT wrote:
28 Jul 2022, 15:31
minimoult21 wrote:
28 Jul 2022, 15:01
Does this include mirrors?
Yes.
Is this really a good idea? Mirrors will always drag a civs win rate towards 50% while saying absolutely nothing about how strong that civ actually is. Would be interesting to see how it'd look without mirrors, especially since I think there were quite a few italy and malta mirrors, so their real win rate might be even lower

Re: KOTOW Statistics

Posted: 29 Jul 2022, 07:20
by harcha
minimoult21 wrote:
28 Jul 2022, 15:01
Cool numbers, but they really don’t have much meaning. Does this include mirrors?

Edit: By not meaning much I mean that there is more of a story behind civs having high win rates than just balance. I think the pick rate because it’s blind pick is more telling of balance than the win rate.
typical dutch player

Re: KOTOW Statistics

Posted: 29 Jul 2022, 15:05
by BrookG
minimoult21 wrote:
28 Jul 2022, 15:01
Cool numbers, but they really don’t have much meaning. Does this include mirrors?

Edit: By not meaning much I mean that there is more of a story behind civs having high win rates than just balance. I think the pick rate because it’s blind pick is more telling of balance than the win rate.
Logged in only to like this post. Great observation! Pick rate would probably reflect what players are comfortable playing or what they think it's strong. Also the data feels too little to tell the greater story.

Re: KOTOW Statistics

Posted: 29 Jul 2022, 16:45
by MaxMagous
One thing that these stats do show which enforces the point I raised in the discord is walls are hardly a balance issue atm, rather a butthurt/playstyle disposition issue

Re: KOTOW Statistics

Posted: 01 Aug 2022, 05:10
by EAGLEMUT
Updated for Q4.

Re: KOTOW Statistics

Posted: 07 Aug 2022, 19:41
by EAGLEMUT
Updated for Q6.

Re: KOTOW Statistics

Posted: 08 Aug 2022, 15:32
by n0el
EAGLEMUT wrote:
07 Aug 2022, 19:41
Updated for Q6.
can we see the Q6 only?

Re: KOTOW Statistics

Posted: 22 Nov 2022, 20:53
by Natan0
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