ESOC water maps balance

[momuuu]

Well I for one find water games boring to watch too, theres different perspectives on it and I feel like youre making some assumptions here that arent necessarily true.

[WickedCossack]

I just don't like how players have the influence to manipulate how tournaments are run. It's highly unfair to the other competitors who can't get to showcase their own strengths.

[deleted_user0]

Ofc nobody wants to make a water play with 3-4 whales. It's only slowing your boom.

I think neutral players should decide water balance. Not Kynesie, Breeze and tit nor Jerom H2o or Mitoe who don't like it.
Right now it's just too bad...And the fact nobody is using it proves this. I think 5 whales would be optimal to Hudson/Manchuarias etc.

[momuuu]

Ofc nobody wants to make a water play with 3-4 whales. It's only slowing your boom.

I think neutral players should decide water balance. Not Kynesie, Breeze and tit nor Jerom H2o or Mitoe who don't like it.
Right now it's just too bad...And the fact nobody is using it proves this. I think 5 whales would be optimal to Hudson/Manchuarias etc.

Interesting how you tend to be quite eager to complain about maps you dont like yourself though.

[Garja]

Ofc nobody wants to make a water play with 3-4 whales. It's only slowing your boom.

I think neutral players should decide water balance. Not Kynesie, Breeze and tit nor Jerom H2o or Mitoe who don't like it.
Right now it's just too bad...And the fact nobody is using it proves this. I think 5 whales would be optimal to Hudson/Manchuarias etc.

The amount of resources is not really the factor that makes wate viable or not. It is more about map layout and inland resources. Also whether it has american or asian natives (for canoes).
The fact that none is using it is mostly because of bias.

[deleted_user0]

Ofc nobody wants to make a water play with 3-4 whales. It's only slowing your boom.

I think neutral players should decide water balance. Not Kynesie, Breeze and tit nor Jerom H2o or Mitoe who don't like it.
Right now it's just too bad...And the fact nobody is using it proves this. I think 5 whales would be optimal to Hudson/Manchuarias etc.

Interesting how you tend to be quite eager to complain about maps you dont like yourself though.

Because water is part of this game. That's why more than 50% of original maps have water.

But how many maps there are with a fucking city in the middle of the map? Yes,right. That's only stupidity, nothing to even do with balance conversation.

Stupid comment by you anyways.

[HUMMAN]

There is no point on sayin stupid to a comment or work done for the sake of argument. It only satisfies you by such an immature method. There are other easy ways to do it. Personally i like variety and new things to explore; instead of mastering limited things. Thats why i like to watch water games, since it breaks the meta builds and opens a horizon to the game. Referring the Bonnie Spring map there is effort in it, so if you dont like it at least respect it. Personally i like to watch games in this map.

[deleted_user0]

There is no point on sayin stupid to a comment or work done for the sake of argument. It only satisfies you by such an immature method. There are other easy ways to do it. Personally i like variety and new things to explore; instead of mastering limited things. Thats why i like to watch water games, since it breaks the meta builds and opens a horizon to the game. Referring the Bonnie Spring map there is effort in it, so if you dont like it at least respect it. Personally i like to watch games in this map.

Post had no content and it was unlogical aswell. there's nothing immature saying that.

[HUMMAN]

I agree the post does not make sense yet your answer just destroys the conservation. Leaving no room for both sides to be objective since you go agressive. Anyway everyone has a way, you seem like to be the flamer dude.

[Hazza54321]

Ofc nobody wants to make a water play with 3-4 whales. It's only slowing your boom.

I think neutral players should decide water balance. Not Kynesie, Breeze and tit nor Jerom H2o or Mitoe who don't like it.
Right now it's just too bad...And the fact nobody is using it proves this. I think 5 whales would be optimal to Hudson/Manchuarias etc.

The amount of resources is not really the factor that makes wate viable or not. It is more about map layout and inland resources. Also whether it has american or asian natives (for canoes).
The fact that none is using it is mostly because of bias.

ofc the amount of resources determines whether water is viable lol

[Hazza54321]

I just don't like how players have the influence to manipulate how tournaments are run. It's highly unfair to the other competitors who can't get to showcase their own strengths.

i agree water games are more fun to watch and considered less fun to play by most players, however i feel like water needs to be balanced before it has a huge impact in a tournament setting, having indonesia in the map pool and baja and florida somewhat is enough water presence in this current tournament considering how weak water is on the ep. It was way too strong on RE as monitors were stronger and there was much more res, however i feel some simple tweaks are in order to map water viable on maps like hudson and manchuria. I also think on maps like baja and indonesia there should be a better land option to boom, for example a cree tp or a cherokee (i like no tps on indonesia so dont change that, however having the cree makes france and germany less shit).

[supernapoleon]

I think the wall nerf is a quite huge nerf to water play but w/e I'm just a treaty captain...

[Garja]

Ofc nobody wants to make a water play with 3-4 whales. It's only slowing your boom.

I think neutral players should decide water balance. Not Kynesie, Breeze and tit nor Jerom H2o or Mitoe who don't like it.
Right now it's just too bad...And the fact nobody is using it proves this. I think 5 whales would be optimal to Hudson/Manchuarias etc.

The amount of resources is not really the factor that makes wate viable or not. It is more about map layout and inland resources. Also whether it has american or asian natives (for canoes).
The fact that none is using it is mostly because of bias.

ofc the amount of resources determines whether water is viable lol

Not really because 4-5 whales (16-20 boats) is basically an optimal amount for booming. Anything more than that is overbooming and leads to sea camping which not only is lame but also shouldn't really work on a map with standard layout.
Water on Manchuria or HB is totally viable. Especially Manchuria that doesn't have many inland resources so the water guy can leverage on starvation.

[pecelot]

It was way too strong on RE as monitors were stronger and there was much more res, however i feel some simple tweaks are in order to map water viable on maps like hudson and manchuria. I also think on maps like baja and indonesia there should be a better land option to boom, for example a cree tp or a cherokee (i like no tps on indonesia so dont change that, however having the cree makes france and germany less shit).

Well, Indonesia seems to be one of the richest maps in terms of natural resources, on Baja you have TPs, on Manchuria you have untouchable TPs, Hudson has both Cree and TPs

Not really because 4-5 whales (16-20 boats) is basically an optimal amount for booming. Anything more than that is overbooming and leads to sea camping which not only is lame but also shouldn't really work on a map with standard layout.
Water on Manchuria or HB is totally viable. Especially Manchuria that doesn't have many inland resources so the water guy can leverage on starvation.

Why is it lame?

[Hazza54321]

It was way too strong on RE as monitors were stronger and there was much more res, however i feel some simple tweaks are in order to map water viable on maps like hudson and manchuria. I also think on maps like baja and indonesia there should be a better land option to boom, for example a cree tp or a cherokee (i like no tps on indonesia so dont change that, however having the cree makes france and germany less shit).

Well, Indonesia seems to be one of the richest maps in terms of natural resources, on Baja you have TPs, on Manchuria you have untouchable TPs, Hudson has both Cree and TPs

indonesia doesnt have much natural res in terms of land, and manchruai and hudson arent real water maps thats what im saying

[Darwin_]

remove docks and boats and then water balance will be perfect!

[born2believe]

remove docks and boats and then water balance will be perfect!

Not all civs have the same shipments!

[Darwin_]

remove docks and boats and then water balance will be perfect!

Not all civs have the same shipments!

what? I wasn't talking about shipments lol. Water in aoe3 is just inherently broken IMO.

[born2believe]

remove docks and boats and then water balance will be perfect!

Not all civs have the same shipments!

what? I wasn't talking about shipments lol. Water in aoe3 is just inherently broken IMO.

It was a joke. Even if you remove docks it won't be balanced since civs have different water shipments.

[Darwin_]

It was a joke. Even if you remove docks it won't be balanced since civs have different water shipments.

Remove boats.

[born2believe]

It was a joke. Even if you remove docks it won't be balanced since civs have different water shipments.

Remove boats.

Canoes.

[Darwin_]

It was a joke. Even if you remove docks it won't be balanced since civs have different water shipments.

Remove boats.

Canoes.

a canoe is a boat.

[pecelot]

remove docks and boats and then water balance will be perfect!

Not all civs have the same shipments!

what? I wasn't talking about shipments lol. Water in aoe3 is just inherently broken IMO.

You just clearly haven't played it enough.

[Garja]

It was way too strong on RE as monitors were stronger and there was much more res, however i feel some simple tweaks are in order to map water viable on maps like hudson and manchuria. I also think on maps like baja and indonesia there should be a better land option to boom, for example a cree tp or a cherokee (i like no tps on indonesia so dont change that, however having the cree makes france and germany less shit).

Well, Indonesia seems to be one of the richest maps in terms of natural resources, on Baja you have TPs, on Manchuria you have untouchable TPs, Hudson has both Cree and TPs

indonesia doesnt have much natural res in terms of land, and manchruai and hudson arent real water maps thats what im saying

Indonesia have tons of inland resources, check better. Mines perhaps are average but the land guy is going to control most of them.
Hudson and Manchuria are fine for water play. Thing is water play isn't really good in the first place, even on RE.

[Hazza54321]

foods fine, mines are poor, RE water is op man why do you think it was nerfed hard in the first place. Not gonna discuss this with you further waste of time.