What is the price and population, just for Spahi?

[reuehcS]

Consider the hypothetical situation where Spahi was trainable.
Here is a video of 5 Cuirassier vs 3 Spahi, and this was the fairest proportion I found, after many tests.
Considering that 5 Cuirassier cost 1500 resources and 15 populations, then if we divide this to 3 Spahi we would have:
1 Spahi: 500 (250 food + 250 coin) resources and 5 populations.
In the late game, 500 resources and 5 populations seem to be very cheap because this unit has a better scale than Cuirassier, and the Otto civilization will have 99 vills just like other civilizations.
Here the question: what would be the correct price and population for Spahi?



@aqwer You will love this topic!

[deleted_user]

500 and 5 sounds fine. A mahout costs 650 res. That's a max 20 spahis on field, as opposed to 40 cuirs, 16 mahouts, 50 huss. With health regen and shadowtechs and an extra area could bump price up to 550 res to be safe. A good, expensive unit is in line with ottoman design.

500 res / 300 res = 1.67. Spahi base hp / cuir base hp = 1.5. Attacks = 1.16 but spahi have +1 range. Pre close. Don't want to make these too viable.

Stats, with all cards and arsenal, the huss is british:

Age	Spahi	Cuir	Mahout	Hussar
III	937 hp | 40 atk	700 hp | 39 atk	1237 hp | 37 atk	512 hp | 45 atk
IV	1162 hp | 50 atk	900 hp | 51 atk	1558 hp | 47 atk	640 hp | 47 atk
V	1537 hp | 68 atk	1150 hp | 66 atk	2017 hp | 61 atk	800 hp | 72 atk

Here are also the age III stats without and with cav combat, the most relevant sup scenario.

Age III	Spahi	Cuir	Mahout	Hussar
W/o cav combat	750 hp | 35 atk	500 hp | 30 atk	1100 hp | 33 atk	384 hp | 36 atk
With cav combat	862 hp | 40 atk	575 hp | 34 atk	1237 hp | 37 atk	432 hp | 40 atk

Total Imperial hp and atk totals at max vill pop:

Unit	Hitpoints	Attack
Spahi (n=20)	30,740 (20% RR)	1,360 (3 range)
Cuir (n=40)	46,000 (20% RR)	2,640 (2 range)
Mahout (n=16)	32,272 (30% RR)	976 (2 range)
Hussar (n=50)	40,000 (20% RR)	3,600 (1 range)

You can see why cuirs are so dominant and mahouts suck dick.

[Zeke]

If there's an infinite 6 spahi card

[aqwer]

Consider the hypothetical situation where Spahi was trainable.
Here is a video of 5 Cuirassier vs 3 Spahi, and this was the fairest proportion I found, after many tests.
Considering that 5 Cuirassier cost 1500 resources and 15 populations, then if we divide this to 3 Spahi we would have:
1 Spahi: 500 (250 food + 250 coin) resources and 5 populations.
In the late game, 500 resources and 5 populations seem to be very cheap because this unit has a better scale than Cuirassier, and the Otto civilization will have 99 vills just like other civilizations.
Here the question: what would be the correct price and population for Spahi?



@aqwer You will love this topic!

By taking into consideration how much upgrades cuirs get, 3cards for stats, 1for cost, and 120 mil pop, and better eco late game ; cuirs are always much better than your suggested 5 pop 500 res spahi. It is worse than mahout with cards which has about 1800+ hp, 70att, aoe, lancer bonus, too much siege, speed boost by monks.

Imo, if you really are serious about it
Spahi:
Cost 200f 200c
Pop 4
Hp 800
Att 36
Rr 0.2

P.s. 5 spahi shipment is comparable to 3 mahouts. And analyzing it suggests that spahi cost should not be more than 400 res.

[Zeke]

should be area not range, they are not meteor hammer xD

[Imperial Noob]

should be area not range, they are not meteor hammer xD

abus have range, why not spahi?

[Cocaine]

What is love? Baby don't hurt me.

[P i k i l i c]

should be area not range, they are not meteor hammer xD

abus have range, why not spahi?

Yes seems logical. Another idea to see more spahis is to make Ottoman town centers train spahis from the start instead of settlers, maybe make settlers trainable in stables to balance things out

[Kaiserklein]

should be area not range, they are not meteor hammer xD

abus have range, why not spahi?

Spahis have an area of effect, why not abus?

[Garja]

500 and 5 sounds fine. A mahout costs 650 res. That's a max 20 spahis on field, as opposed to 40 cuirs, 16 mahouts, 50 huss. With health regen and shadowtechs and an extra area could bump price up to 550 res to be safe. A good, expensive unit is in line with ottoman design.

500 res / 300 res = 1.67. Spahi base hp / cuir base hp = 1.5. Attacks = 1.16 but spahi have +1 range. Pre close. Don't want to make these too viable.

Stats, with all cards and arsenal, the huss is british:

Age	Spahi	Cuir	Mahout	Hussar
III	937 hp | 40 atk	700 hp | 39 atk	1237 hp | 37 atk	512 hp | 45 atk
IV	1162 hp | 50 atk	900 hp | 51 atk	1558 hp | 47 atk	640 hp | 47 atk
V	1537 hp | 68 atk	1150 hp | 66 atk	2017 hp | 61 atk	800 hp | 72 atk

Here are also the age III stats without and with cav combat, the most relevant sup scenario.

Age III	Spahi	Cuir	Mahout	Hussar
W/o cav combat	750 hp | 35 atk	500 hp | 30 atk	1100 hp | 33 atk	384 hp | 36 atk
With cav combat	862 hp | 40 atk	575 hp | 34 atk	1237 hp | 37 atk	432 hp | 40 atk

Total Imperial hp and atk totals at max vill pop:

Unit	Hitpoints	Attack
Spahi (n=20)	30,740 (10% RR)	1,360 (3 range)
Cuir (n=40)	46,000 (20% RR)	2,640 (2 range)
Mahout (n=16)	32,272 (30% RR)	976 (2 range)
Hussar (n=50)	40,000 (20% RR)	3,600 (1 range)

You can see why cuirs are so dominant and mahouts suck dick.

nice table

[reuehcS]

@Zeke @Imperial Noob @Cocaine @P i k i l i c @Kaiserklein @Garja
Please share your views on Spahi's cost and population.

[aqwer]

should be area not range, they are not meteor hammer xD

abus have range, why not spahi?

Spahis have an area of effect, why not abus?

Wrong logic. The correct way is that "every other unit with siege damage at range has aoe, why not abus gun".

[deleted_user]

500 and 5 sounds fine. A mahout costs 650 res. That's a max 20 spahis on field, as opposed to 40 cuirs, 16 mahouts, 50 huss. With health regen and shadowtechs and an extra area could bump price up to 550 res to be safe. A good, expensive unit is in line with ottoman design.

500 res / 300 res = 1.67. Spahi base hp / cuir base hp = 1.5. Attacks = 1.16 but spahi have +1 range. Pre close. Don't want to make these too viable.

Stats, with all cards and arsenal, the huss is british:

Age	Spahi	Cuir	Mahout	Hussar
III	937 hp | 40 atk	700 hp | 39 atk	1237 hp | 37 atk	512 hp | 45 atk
IV	1162 hp | 50 atk	900 hp | 51 atk	1558 hp | 47 atk	640 hp | 47 atk
V	1537 hp | 68 atk	1150 hp | 66 atk	2017 hp | 61 atk	800 hp | 72 atk

Here are also the age III stats without and with cav combat, the most relevant sup scenario.

Age III	Spahi	Cuir	Mahout	Hussar
W/o cav combat	750 hp | 35 atk	500 hp | 30 atk	1100 hp | 33 atk	384 hp | 36 atk
With cav combat	862 hp | 40 atk	575 hp | 34 atk	1237 hp | 37 atk	432 hp | 40 atk

Total Imperial hp and atk totals at max vill pop:

Unit	Hitpoints	Attack
Spahi (n=20)	30,740 (10% RR)	1,360 (3 range)
Cuir (n=40)	46,000 (20% RR)	2,640 (2 range)
Mahout (n=16)	32,272 (30% RR)	976 (2 range)
Hussar (n=50)	40,000 (20% RR)	3,600 (1 range)

You can see why cuirs are so dominant and mahouts suck dick.

nice table

Thanks, I was shitposting hard.

[Zeke]

Just change the abus in foundry to spahi who attacks with abus gun in range (same stat as abus) and do area of damage in melee (same stat as spahi), problem solved.

[Aykin Haraka]

When you select a spahi and put your mouse above the little image of the unit, it says that spahi cost 280f 3 pop
i can't do screenshot but try it scenario

[Aykin Haraka]

spahi >> fkin cui

[Zeke]

well urumi also has a cost of 160f and 60c, if u take that as their cost, then... xD
Trainable urumi hype

[Aykin Haraka]

is it possible to add Lil bombars to foundry art ?

[Zutazuta]

I am but a simple man, I see the G and I updoot.

[Riotcoke]

is it possible to add Lil bombars to foundry art ?

They're fucking horrible.

[Rohbrot]

is it possible to add Lil bombars to foundry art ?

They're fucking horrible.

not horrible with german merc card

[helln00]

or triple card chinese artillery

[Aykin Haraka]

is it possible to add Lil bombars to foundry art ?

They're fucking horrible.

not really bro

[gamevideo113]

500 and 5 sounds fine. A mahout costs 650 res. That's a max 20 spahis on field, as opposed to 40 cuirs, 16 mahouts, 50 huss. With health regen and shadowtechs and an extra area could bump price up to 550 res to be safe. A good, expensive unit is in line with ottoman design.

500 res / 300 res = 1.67. Spahi base hp / cuir base hp = 1.5. Attacks = 1.16 but spahi have +1 range. Pre close. Don't want to make these too viable.

Stats, with all cards and arsenal, the huss is british:

Age	Spahi	Cuir	Mahout	Hussar
III	937 hp | 40 atk	700 hp | 39 atk	1237 hp | 37 atk	512 hp | 45 atk
IV	1162 hp | 50 atk	900 hp | 51 atk	1558 hp | 47 atk	640 hp | 47 atk
V	1537 hp | 68 atk	1150 hp | 66 atk	2017 hp | 61 atk	800 hp | 72 atk

Here are also the age III stats without and with cav combat, the most relevant sup scenario.

Age III	Spahi	Cuir	Mahout	Hussar
W/o cav combat	750 hp | 35 atk	500 hp | 30 atk	1100 hp | 33 atk	384 hp | 36 atk
With cav combat	862 hp | 40 atk	575 hp | 34 atk	1237 hp | 37 atk	432 hp | 40 atk

Total Imperial hp and atk totals at max vill pop:

Unit	Hitpoints	Attack
Spahi (n=20)	30,740 (20% RR)	1,360 (3 range)
Cuir (n=40)	46,000 (20% RR)	2,640 (2 range)
Mahout (n=16)	32,272 (30% RR)	976 (2 range)
Hussar (n=50)	40,000 (20% RR)	3,600 (1 range)

You can see why cuirs are so dominant and mahouts suck dick.

Wow

[Cocaine]

@Zeke @Imperial Noob @Cocaine @P i k i l i c @Kaiserklein @Garja
Please share your views on Spahi's cost and population.

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Check LordKrol account perma banned may god rest its PR.. Only french home cities.