Germans Discussion Thread

[Kaiserklein]

Op maths spotted

[Panmaster]

300<180 CON FIRMED.

for those 300 coin you have 2 ww with 1000 hp
you need 360 coin for 4 dragoons to get the same hp

Howdahs > War wagons > Dragoons

War wagons have too much overkill and lack ranged resistance.

[[Armag] diarouga]

300<180 CON FIRMED.

for those 300 coin you have 2 ww with 1000 hp
you need 360 coin for 4 dragoons to get the same hp

Howdahs > War wagons > Dragoons

War wagons have too much overkill and lack ranged resistance.

ROFL, who cares about that? Dragoons are much more cost effective than howdahs and ww.

[thebritish]

good luck with trying to kill 40 imperial gendarmes who go for your eco with dragoons

[Hazza54321]

good luck with trying to kill 40 imperial gendarmes who go for your eco with dragoons

Youre better of with goons for that lol and its probably gg at that point anyway

[[Armag] diarouga]

good luck with trying to kill 40 imperial gendarmes who go for your eco with dragoons

And what would you do with ww? Nothing.

[thebritish]

WW's have double the hitpoints dragoons have and 20% or 30% melee resist (not sure), which means they can body block np and kill the gendarmes cost efficiently, while dragoons will die very fast

[Rikikipu]

Kite?

[thebritish]

Kite?

lol, gendarmes are there to kill your eco, not deal with your goons.
even if you try to kill the gendarmes, a smart player wil lsplit his gendarmes in 3 groups, and with 2 go for the villagers from 1 side, while with the third attack your goons.
their area damage will kill all yourr goons if you go for the other 2 groups, and if you try to kite this group, the other group will get your whole eco down.
getting them in TC is not very good, because 70 siege damage with 15-20 gendarmes wil take it down very fast

[Rikikipu]

Kite?

lol, gendarmes are there to kill your eco, not deal with your goons.
even if you try to kill the gendarmes, a smart player wil lsplit his gendarmes in 3 groups, and with 2 go for the villagers from 1 side, while with the third attack your goons.
their area damage will kill all yourr goons if you go for the other 2 groups, and if you try to kite this group, the other group will get your whole eco down.
getting them in TC is not very good, because 70 siege damage with 15-20 gendarmes wil take it down very fast

I disagree with your entire post, except your first one word : "lol"

So, you said you are facing 40 imperial gendarms (3 groups of gendarms), so we got approximately 13 gendarms in each group.
As the other one got 40 imperial gendarms, we can say that you have 50 imperial goons.
So one group of 13 gendarms is attacking your group of 50 dragoons. I think if you hit and run you can kite 2 or 3 times to kill all gendarms. As goon ROF is equal to 3.0, you need less than 10 seconds to kill the group of gendarms wich is following your goons.
End of the demonstration
gg no re

[_DB_]

Wtf thebritish went imperial age before anyone lol

[fei123456]

fully upgraded ww is killing machine. they have 50+ attack 650hp 18range. but you have to send cav combat and upgrade them in the arsenal.

[thebritish]

Wtf thebritish went imperial age before anyone lol

thats what matters, not the base stats.

[Atomiswave]

Safest possible nerf would be to reduce uhlan shipments from 5-4, 8-7 and 9-8. I know it doesn't mean much, but it's good starting point.

[Atomiswave]

Idk what can we do to ger

maybe 7 skirm & 6 skirm, 8-7 ulhans, 8 brs, 11 jag

Contrary to popular belief, the 8-9 uhlan shipments aren't all that great. They are very good, but the only reason that they are is because of the civ bonus not the shipment itself. Same goes for 8/7 skirm which is the same amount of skirms France gets in their fortress shipments. 8-7 cav would be terrible, 7 uhlans would be 4 + 3 free, and 4 uhlans would be worth 600 resources (+450 = 1050 including the civ bonus) whereas usually fortress unit shipments are worth 900+.
For reference, 1000w and 1000g (which are shipments German players should be sending way more often) are worth 1450 resources.

Nerfing their shipments because their civ bonus is too strong is what I would call a "duct tape solution". Better nerf the unit itself (uhlan) or change the civ bonus to give +2 uhlans in every age after discovery.

+1

Or less linear soultion. One in colonial, 2 in fortress and three in industrial.

[Kaiserklein]

Safest possible nerf would be to reduce uhlan shipments from 5-4, 8-7 and 9-8. I know it doesn't mean much, but it's good starting point.

Yeah 5 uhlans is way too op lets nerf it to 2 + 2 uhlans. Best shipment in the game confirmed

[Mimsy for President]

still better than 3 huss

[Atomiswave]

Safest possible nerf would be to reduce uhlan shipments from 5-4, 8-7 and 9-8. I know it doesn't mean much, but it's good starting point.

Yeah 5 uhlans is way too op lets nerf it to 2 + 2 uhlans. Best shipment in the game confirmed

Sarcasm on the side, Ger evidently needs to be nerfed. Winter tourney will probably confirm that.

[thebritish]

the 5 uhlans shipment is one of the worst in the game.
because it is actually 3 uhlan shipment, and 3 huss>3uhlan, even 3 huss>4uhlan
the only good thing for the 3 uhlan shipment is that it get 2 uhan as a bonus for every shipment, so 5 uhlans are better than 3 huss

[Mimsy for President]

oktm

[thebritish]

Germany is not OP. other civs are weak.

[Atomiswave]

the 5 uhlans shipment is one of the worst in the game.
because it is actually 3 uhlan shipment, and 3 huss>3uhlan, even 3 huss>4uhlan
the only good thing for the 3 uhlan shipment is that it get 2 uhan as a bonus for every shipment, so 5 uhlans are better than 3 huss

German civ bonus is main subject here. It's op on tp maps, and average-bad on non tp maps. If you nerf their xp trickle rate they will be unusable on non tp map, so it's much better solution to nerf uhlans. Somebody suggested reduction of civ bonus to 2 uhlans per shipment in fortress and industral. It's realtively good idea....

[Garja]

Germans are a little too strong but no way as good as old top civs. We could even live without touching them.

[Atomiswave]

Germans are a little too strong but no way as good as old top civs. We could even live without touching them.

Yes, but in that case almost every other civ has to buffed more or less. In right hands Germany is a beast.

[Garja]

Which is more or less the same thing. I mean, I see the nuance of what you mean but again I actually meant that the gap between them and other civs is minimal compared to any other imbalance in this game.
I'm actually convinced that there is a number of civs that can counter Germans to the point that their main strategy is not viable (which makes them normal again).
French are as good as Germans at the moment. And China is also on the same level when it comes to one single strategy.