diarouga wrote:India isnt.bobabu wrote:India is better than german.
Maybe on the eso-c maps its different. But when you didnt have good hunts with germany it was gg. India 10/10 rush is very hard to deal with. You cant go for a straight ff.
diarouga wrote:India isnt.bobabu wrote:India is better than german.
India loose to ger, they cant punish the age3. Sioux was k before the brs nerf but now they just loose.bobabu wrote:I think india,sioux,aztec,china,otto,iro and japan can deal with them.diarouga wrote:You can try to punish them in colonial, but you know as well as me that it doesnt work if the german plays well.
Yeah Im 100% for the multiplier vs vills, lol, when I see a guy with 2 uhlans who can kill a vill in 3 hits, I just cry.
But tbh that would help a lot in team but that wouldnt be enough in 1v1. Except japan/brit, you cant really beat a ger without outplaying him.
What we need to do is either to let other civs punishing their age up (but that would be an over nerf) or nerf their fortress timings, that way, civs like french or iro would follow them in age 3.
diarouga wrote:India loose to ger, they cant punish the age3. Sioux was k before the brs nerf but now they just loose.bobabu wrote:I think india,sioux,aztec,china,otto,iro and japan can deal with them.
Azzy vs ger isnt even close, totally one sided MU.
China might beat german on cow maps but on a normal map they loose, they cant match the uhlan mass.
Otto vs ger is quite close on the RE but imo with the abus nerf ger takes it. With the iro nerf, they just get raped by ger lol.
Japan can deal with them but with the shogunate nerf, I think a ff should beat japan. Even if it doesnt, thats still a very close MU.
Only civ they really loose to on the esoc patch is brit imo.
diarouga wrote:I''d say ger win 90% vs dutch on the re=> hopeless MU, impossible to win
Brit vs ger would be 60-40 or 55-45 on a balanced tp map
india vs ger 45-55
sioux vs ger 40-60
china vs ger 40-60 on no cow maps
japan vs ger 50-50
azzy vs ger 40-60
diarouga wrote:You can try to punish them in colonial, but you know as well as me that it doesnt work if the german plays well.kaiserklein wrote:You can punish them in colonial tho. Well it depends on the civ you are playing, but as french for example you really can
I think, if we really want to nerf germany (Im not convinced about that tho), we should start with a multiplier against vils, like on nilla. It isnt an enormous change, but it does make uhlans less interesting to trade vs vils. I usually know that whenever a vil is a bit too far from tc I can just sacrify 1 uhlan if my opponent tries to defend the vil with his cav and still kill the vil, and imo losing 1 uhlan to kill 1 vil is a good trade. If they had a 0.75 multiplier, maybe we wouldnt be able to trade like that. For info, it would make them need 7 hits to kill a cdb vs 5 atm, and 10 hits to kill an upgraded vil vs 7 atm
Yeah Im 100% for the multiplier vs vills, lol, when I see a guy with 2 uhlans who can kill a vill in 3 hits, I just cry.
But tbh that would help a lot in team but that wouldnt be enough in 1v1. Except japan/brit, you cant really beat a ger without outplaying him.
What we need to do is either to let other civs punishing their age up (but that would be an over nerf) or nerf their fortress timings, that way, civs like french or iro would follow them in age 3.
LoOk_tOm wrote:I have something in particular against Kaisar (GERMANY NOOB mercenary LAMME FOREVER) And the other people (noobs) like suck kaiser ... just this ..
This would be a great change. This also means the uhlan shipments are nerfed to 4, 7, and 8 uhlans, which is justified in my opinion.diarouga wrote:I think a good nerf would be +1 uhlans in age2 and +2 in age3.
LoOk_tOm wrote:I have something in particular against Kaisar (GERMANY NOOB mercenary LAMME FOREVER) And the other people (noobs) like suck kaiser ... just this ..
Nah I think it should rather be 3 and 2 uhlans in fortress. Would be fair then.shaolinstar wrote:How about nerfing age3 uhlans shipments. Perhaps 7 &' 6 uhlans cards would be fairer. Screw the bonus civ on these 2 shipments.
LoOk_tOm wrote:I have something in particular against Kaisar (GERMANY NOOB mercenary LAMME FOREVER) And the other people (noobs) like suck kaiser ... just this ..
Ok just compare with the other civs. Russians get 6 cossacks, most euro civs get 5 huss. 6 kanyas 5 axe riders, 5 nagi, 6 sowars, 5 meteor... You still find that fair ?kaiserklein wrote:Nah I think it should rather be 3 and 2 uhlans in fortress. Would be fair then.shaolinstar wrote:How about nerfing age3 uhlans shipments. Perhaps 7 &' 6 uhlans cards would be fairer. Screw the bonus civ on these 2 shipments.
Its not fair, but its not supposed to be' its Germans civilization bonus, in addition to fewer shipments, after all.shaolinstar wrote:Ok just compare with the other civs. Russians get 6 cossacks, most euro civs get 5 huss. 6 kanyas 5 axe riders, 5 nagi, 6 sowars, 5 meteor... You still find that fair ?kaiserklein wrote:Nah I think it should rather be 3 and 2 uhlans in fortress. Would be fair then.
I know, I mentioned the civs bonus and I completely agree with you. But cant we make an exception for these 2 specific shipments ? Ive been playing Germans 90% of the time lately and I know how much 9 &' 8 uhlans cards are OP. Im sure they would still bang most civs even with my nerf proposal. Everyone agrees Germans are a freaking good civ at the moment. I just cant be more objective.zoom wrote:Its not fair, but its not supposed to be' its Germans civilization bonus, in addition to fewer shipments, after all.shaolinstar wrote:Ok just compare with the other civs. Russians get 6 cossacks, most euro civs get 5 huss. 6 kanyas 5 axe riders, 5 nagi, 6 sowars, 5 meteor... You still find that fair ?
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