Russians Discussion Thread

[deleted_user0]

this civ is literally so horseshit that I dont even have a home city anymore.
its absolutely useless.

Stop being such a drama queen christ

stop quitting every game between 1-5 mins jesus christ

[deleted_user]

this civ is literally so horseshit that I dont even have a home city anymore.
its absolutely useless.

Stop being such a drama queen christ

stop quitting every game between 1-5 mins jesus christ

How can I know I don't like playing on the keyboard if I don't play on the keyboard??

[zoom]

If you nerf British, Chinese, Dutch (from 4.0), French, Indians, Iroquois and Japanese you're buffing Russians. I would argue that the Sepoy nerf is especially significant in that particular match-up. Most recent maps also favor Russians. It's possible that Russians are below average, but I'm not buying this "underpowered-to-the-point-of-unplayable" nonsense.

[Garja]

Ye Russia get marginally better with other civ nerfs. Sepoy nerf isn't particularly relevant or significant tho vs russia.

[Hazza54321]

pretty sure the only sepoys u get in that MU are the ones you get from age up

[zoom]

That's interesting. Seems they're used a lot, anytime I see the match-up. At least in the early game.

[Hazza54321]

i remember playing vs diarouga and i only won because he made sepoy rather than zamb

[Hazza54321]

and because im the general

[deleted_user0]

ye i think making sepoy in that mu is a bad call. perhaps 5 or at most 10 if you're under a lot of early pressure. but u want to go ghurka zamb sowar or age.

[Kaiserklein]

Goons just do good vs russia since their ri has only 14 range. It makes it hard to snipe goons. Musks need to come in front to block and dps cav so they can get sniped down by strelets easily.

[deleted_user0]

Should we talk about strelet shadow up or 255 vills again?

[Atomiswave]

Russia on the weak side again, which was totally expected. Bring back 255 vills at least....

[fei123456]

Sepoy still OP. They may lose to strelet, but if you have some sowar/hussar to tank, sepoy can kill everything easily.
And they don't die fast to cossack: zamburak has higher DPS, but they can't tank at all. If russia have more cossack than your zamburak, you just get destroyed.

[momuuu]

If you nerf British, Chinese, Dutch (from 4.0), French, Indians, Iroquois and Japanese you're buffing Russians. I would argue that the Sepoy nerf is especially significant in that particular match-up. Most recent maps also favor Russians. It's possible that Russians are below average, but I'm not buying this "underpowered-to-the-point-of-unplayable" nonsense.

vs russia is one of those match ups where india doesn't make many sepoys, isnt it?

[Gendarme]

You make like 2-3 sepoys first batch to protect against the 5 cossacks unless you're Ryan and can defend with sentries, 2 sepoys, monks, and impeccable micro. Other than that I have never seen anyone train cipayes.

[Hazza54321]

Sepoy sowar could also be ok because sepoy

[momuuu]

You make like 2-3 sepoys first batch to protect against the 5 cossacks unless you're Ryan and can defend with sentries, 2 sepoys, monks, and impeccable micro. Other than that I have never seen anyone train cipayes.

Yeah, 5-10 sepoys or something. Thats not 'many' is it. By that point in time the wood saved from houses is definitely worth more.

[Kaiserklein]

Apparently russia trains vils in only 50s on vanilla compared to 53s on TAD (credits to @bwinner ). What about we also go for 50s on EP? It would buff both the rush and the scaling a bit, since russia would age up a bit faster and have slightly more eco overall.

[spoiler=Quick maths]In age 1, the first batch would pop 3s early, the second 6s, and the third 9s. That's 18s of extra gathering for 3 vils, so 54 VS, which is 45f. That's the same extra amount of food as with 255f vils. Plus, if you find food treasures and/or have a food start, you might age up 9s faster than now, since the last batch of vils pops 9s earlier.

Later on, it keeps scaling. If you don't idle your tc, you're gonna get 9 VS (3s * 3 vil) ahead with each batch. So at the nth batch in colonial, you will have an extra 9n(n+1)/2 VS. So for example, at the 10th batch in colonial (which should be at around 13 min in game), russia would have approx an extra 9*10*11/2 = 545 VS, which is 550+ food with steel traps. And if we also take in consideration the fact that russia aged to colonial slightly faster, it's even more extra resources.[/spoiler]

[Garja]

If they cant train them with no idle is kinda pointless.

[Gendarme]

k i n d a p o i n t l e s s

[Kaiserklein]

And why would they idle?

[Gendarme]

Because they already idle with 14 settlers, and with this they will finish training their last batch 9 seconds earlier with only 45 additional food to try to reduce their idle time.

So unless you find food treasures, you are essentially only reducing the age up cost to 755f (as far as Discovery Age is concerned).

[Kaiserklein]

Well russia would age slightly faster (cause extra 45f) regardless of idle time, and with the same 14 vils. So it's at least as good as 255f vils in age 1.
Anyway, that's just age 1 lol. It becomes more relevant in colo

[Aizamk]

There's nothing wrong with idling, really. Anyway, the more notable effect is that 17 villager ageup becomes faster by 12 seconds.

[Garja]

Because the more you squeeze the train time of a unit the harder is to pull out the complete batch or, in case of vills, idleless production.
Anyway, it would still be a buff, because eventually Russia has more food than it needs for vills. But I would actually prefer 255f buff as it has basically the opposite trend, affecting more the early game without making Russia eco necessarily scale faster which is something it already does in midgame.
17v age up is a good point. 14v tho is about the same. If no idle it is already faster than 3.05.