Russians Discussion Thread

[Jaeger]

Garia doesn't dismiss the criticism. He only deletes your messages and says you are a fucking bad player xD

lol

[Atomiswave]

Give 6th vill and remove a food box. Economy is too weak on ESOC patch and your opponent gets always decent hunts which nerfs the rush.

I much prefer maintaining the civilization design and just decreasing Settler batch cost to 255f. It's always preferable to make the civilization more unique as opposed to less by enhancing its distinctive features.

Also, revamping Suvorov Reforms to buff infantry (Strelet speed in particular) is critical to civilization's potential to counter light cavalry, in my opinion.

255f for batch of vills sounds reasonable.

[noissance]

Why not allowing villagers training like military units? (Click x times u make up to 3 or 4 villagers in batch)?

[fei123456]

train cav archer in age 2.

[thebritish]

train cav archer in age 2.

that will make them OP af
-why?
its selfexplanatory

[Hazza54321]

train cav archer in age 2.

that would make russia op, strelet ca in age 2 wont be counterable, youre better of revamping suvorvov reforms into a musk combat and/or a strelet speed increase in age 2 to compete age 2 russia vs age 3 french/ger etc

[Atomiswave]

train cav archer in age 2.

that would make russia op, strelet ca in age 2 wont be counterable, youre better of revamping suvorvov reforms into a musk combat and/or a strelet speed increase in age 2 to compete age 2 russia vs age 3 french/ger etc

Vill batch price reduction is easiest way to buff them, without messing with civ identity. It's ok to move some cards like silk road with Ottomans, but revamping should be last option. It messes up with civ personality.

[Hazza54321]

what about spice trade in age 1?

[Atomiswave]

what about spice trade in age 1?

Don't know, maybe. Vill batch to 255f is best suggestion I've read here so far.

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Revamping Suvorov and decreasing Settler batch cost (or adding a starting crate) are completley unrelated as far as I'm concerned though, since the former only affects the later stages of a game. Here's what I would do with it by the way:

– "Suvorov Reforms" home-city shipment now instead increases Strelet speed by 10%, Musketeer range and line-of-sight by 2 and Halberdier hitpoints and damage by 15%; name and description updated accordingly.

[Atomiswave]

Revamping Suvorov and decreasing Settler batch cost (or adding a starting crate) are completley unrelated as far as I'm concerned though, since the former only affects the later stages of a game. Here's what I would do with it by the way:

– "Suvorov Reforms" home-city shipment now instead increases Strelet speed by 10%, Musketeer range and line-of-sight by 2 and Halberdier hitpoints and damage by 15%; name and description updated accordingly.

With vill batch price reduction?

[thebritish]

Revamping Suvorov and decreasing Settler batch cost (or adding a starting crate) are completley unrelated as far as I'm concerned though, since the former only affects the later stages of a game. Here's what I would do with it by the way:

– "Suvorov Reforms" home-city shipment now instead increases Strelet speed by 10%, Musketeer range and line-of-sight by 2 and Halberdier hitpoints and damage by 15%; name and description updated accordingly.

please tell me you are trolling

[Kaiserklein]

Revamping Suvorov and decreasing Settler batch cost (or adding a starting crate) are completley unrelated as far as I'm concerned though, since the former only affects the later stages of a game. Here's what I would do with it by the way:

– "Suvorov Reforms" home-city shipment now instead increases Strelet speed by 10%, Musketeer range and line-of-sight by 2 and Halberdier hitpoints and damage by 15%; name and description updated accordingly.

please tell me you are trolling

Tbh musks with 14 range would be pretty useless since you don't kite that much with them... Also suvorov reform is age 3 if I'm not mistaken, which means you will rather go for cav archers than musks anyway

Strelets speed would be more lame actually, they would get close to 5 speed which wouldn't allow enemy inf to kite them much or even to get away lol

[evilcheadar]

Revamping Suvorov and decreasing Settler batch cost (or adding a starting crate) are completley unrelated as far as I'm concerned though, since the former only affects the later stages of a game. Here's what I would do with it by the way:

– "Suvorov Reforms" home-city shipment now instead increases Strelet speed by 10%, Musketeer range and line-of-sight by 2 and Halberdier hitpoints and damage by 15%; name and description updated accordingly.

please tell me you are trolling

Tbh musks with 14 range would be pretty useless since you don't kite that much with them... Also suvorov reform is age 3 if I'm not mistaken, which means you will rather go for cav archers than musks anyway

Strelets speed would be more lame actually, they would get close to 5 speed which wouldn't allow enemy inf to kite them much or even to get away lol

Don't go cav archer if you can

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You need to understand that revamping Suvorov Reforms in this way has two goals:

1. Making the card no longer broken.
2. Helping Russian infantry in the late-game (not before) – particularly against Dragoons and their clone units. Keep in mind that Halberdiers and Musketeers receive no other card bonuses.

I would personally definitely include this change (at least for testing) regardless of whether the civilization needs a general buff or not. If that also is the case, then I would try +100f or 255f Settler batches.

[Atomiswave]

You need to understand that revamping Suvorov Reforms in this way has two goals:

1. Making the card no longer broken.
2. Helping Russian infantry in the late-game (not before) – particularly against Dragoons and their clone units. Keep in mind that Halberdiers and Musketeers receive no other card bonuses.

I would personally definitely include this change (at least for testing) regardless of whether the civilization needs a general buff or not. If that also is the case, then I would try +100f or 255f Settler batches.

Age 3 card that improves three units?! Too much in my personal opinion. On the other hand, if you exclude halbs, it sounds reasonable.

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You need to understand that revamping Suvorov Reforms in this way has two goals:

1. Making the card no longer broken.
2. Helping Russian infantry in the late-game (not before) – particularly against Dragoons and their clone units. Keep in mind that Halberdiers and Musketeers receive no other card bonuses.

I would personally definitely include this change (at least for testing) regardless of whether the civilization needs a general buff or not. If that also is the case, then I would try +100f or 255f Settler batches.

Age 3 card that improves three units?! Too much in my personal opinion. On the other hand, if you exclude halbs, it sounds reasonable.

Cavalry Combat (and Boyars) says "hai" and these bonuses are all worse, with the exception of Halberdiers which is one unit.

[Atomiswave]

You need to understand that revamping Suvorov Reforms in this way has two goals:

1. Making the card no longer broken.
2. Helping Russian infantry in the late-game (not before) – particularly against Dragoons and their clone units. Keep in mind that Halberdiers and Musketeers receive no other card bonuses.

I would personally definitely include this change (at least for testing) regardless of whether the civilization needs a general buff or not. If that also is the case, then I would try +100f or 255f Settler batches.

Age 3 card that improves three units?! Too much in my personal opinion. On the other hand, if you exclude halbs, it sounds reasonable.

Cavalry Combat (and Boyars) says "hai" and these bonuses are all worse, with the exception of Halberdiers which is one unit.

But suvorov reforms is unit conversion card, and you intent to convert it to unique imp card. If you want imp card, just give em regular one like inf combat, but that would be against ep design rules right?

Btw, Russia already has three imp cards in age 3(don't forget ransack) Maybe rest of the team will support your idea, but I think that vill batch price decreasement is best starting point. Then, after extensive testing work your way from there.

[Garja]

You going so far into discussing things that are not necessary.

[Atomiswave]

You going so far into discussing things that are not necessary.

You would leave Russia in current state right?

[thebritish]

the card for strelets which is age 4 and spawns strelets from every blockhouse and gives +10% hp, could be made to give to give +15% hp and to attack to strelets and musketeers

[Kaiserklein]

the card for strelets which is age 4 and spawns strelets from every blockhouse and gives +10% hp, could be made to give to give +15% hp and to attack to strelets and musketeers

Yeah after all we need to buff russian late game right

[thebritish]

the card for strelets which is age 4 and spawns strelets from every blockhouse and gives +10% hp, could be made to give to give +15% hp and to attack to strelets and musketeers

Yeah after all we need to buff russian late game right

true

[medinos]

If I have to admit with Garja Russia really is a OP civ not like OP but Russia is really a good civ watched some hazza games and diarouga Russia good really good
No need to change it.. at all...

Garja you were right (Y) !!!

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If I have to admit with Garja Russia really is a OP civ not like OP but Russia is really a good civ watched some hazza games and diarouga Russia good really good
No need to change it.. at all...

Garja you were right (Y) !!!

Il Garaja is always right!

the card for strelets which is age 4 and spawns strelets from every blockhouse and gives +10% hp, could be made to give to give +15% hp and to attack to strelets and musketeers

Yeah after all we need to buff russian late game right

In terms of Musketeers, Halberdiers and the ability to combat Dragoons – yes I suspect that might be the case.

You going so far into discussing things that are not necessary.

Nothing is necessary. I think they would be good. I may be wrong.