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02 Nov 2015, 14:04

Pro player vs normal player (rofl)
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02 Nov 2015, 15:11

Diarouga is normal player confirmed.
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02 Nov 2015, 15:26

chun wrote:
edeholland wrote:Pro player vs normal player (rofl)
i say not with utube ok .
not utube riot vs Diarouga ???
i dont say Diarouga(i dont say normal player lol)

i say other pro player vs other normal player(use other civ) .
china cant win by rush hard (cav+musk) or cavalry

i not say with youtube. ok understand
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02 Nov 2015, 15:28

jerom wrote:Diarouga is normal player confirmed.
i don''t say Diarouga(i don''t say he''s normal player )
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02 Nov 2015, 15:30

paul wrote:
chun wrote:http://ageofempires.wikia.com/wiki/Zamburak

he rof 1.5
wrong it is. sure i am.
52.5 damage vs Calvary with rof 1.5

keshik have 8*3 = 24 damage vs cavalry with rof 1.5

? balance patch? um wait or bye this game.
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02 Nov 2015, 15:32

chun wrote:
paul wrote:wrong it is. sure i am.
52.5 damage vs Calvary with rof 1.5

keshik have 8*3 = 24 damage vs cavalry with rof 1.5

? balance patch? um wait or bye this game.

zamburak rof 3. test yourself.
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02 Nov 2015, 15:50

jerom wrote:Diarouga is normal player confirmed.

It seems I am :P
And btw, as garja said at the end, he failed, otherwise the musk/huss shouldn''t really work vs a good chinese who ages up with the academy.
The MU is still quite fair tho, on non herdable maps.
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02 Nov 2015, 16:37

diarouga wrote:
jerom wrote:Diarouga is normal player confirmed.
It seems I am :P
And btw, as garja said at the end, he failed, otherwise the musk/huss shouldnt really work vs a good chinese who ages up with the academy.
The MU is still quite fair tho, on non herdable maps.
i dont say, u are normal player.
and he dreaming?

have more game china vs other civ. cant win.
I think u see its.
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02 Nov 2015, 16:41

paul wrote:
chun wrote:52.5 damage vs Calvary with rof 1.5

keshik have 8*3 = 24 damage vs cavalry with rof 1.5

? balance patch? um wait or bye this game.
zamburak rof 3. test yourself.
I dont know. I dont play India.
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02 Nov 2015, 16:52

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02 Nov 2015, 17:19

China is definitely not a bad civ.
I don't want them to be nerfed but they're far from being UP.
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02 Nov 2015, 17:48

China was the third is a great civ. But in the age 2 it is very weak against Rush civ such as Russia and Ottoman. Almost impossible to win. I think it would be good to have a better defense early. As the village attack when garrisoned (maximum 5 (45 attack) attack settlers, and the letter of the village is 10 (90 attacks)), and not to get op more in the age 3 to change something, I can not say what now.
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02 Nov 2015, 17:57

That would be super op.
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02 Nov 2015, 18:04

Improve the era 2 China is bad. And to make matters worse it would be necessary to balance the era 3
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03 Nov 2015, 07:15

chun wrote:
paul wrote:wrong it is. sure i am.
52.5 damage vs Calvary with rof 1.5

keshik have 8*3 = 24 damage vs cavalry with rof 1.5

? balance patch? um wait or bye this game.
Lol zams have 3.0 rof
Only gunpowder light cav with 1.5 rof are RRs.
But yeah keshiks are shit.

Imho:
-Increase keshik HP by 10
-Nerf intervention to 8 musks
-Decrease steppe rider cost 5 coin.
-Nerf old han
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03 Nov 2015, 11:40

You don't want to make china an age 2 civ since it would just standardise them.
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03 Nov 2015, 11:43

You might want to tweak old han reforms a bit. Although thats the most fun card in the game.
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03 Nov 2015, 13:39

China issues are pretty clear. Need a buff to colo cav, nerf to fortress shipemtns and a tweak on old han reforms. It's just a matter of wanting to change those things or not.
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03 Nov 2015, 13:59

China is kinda broken because they rely on extremely strong shipments and they have few colonial options.
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03 Nov 2015, 14:19

I'm fine with Old Han, it's their game-changing thing and they only get it in Industrial like French with gendarms (I know it's easier for China to go Indus but still).
How about increasing training time ? I don't think it will penalize the civ that much since most of its units are provided by the Home City.
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03 Nov 2015, 14:26

britishmusketeer wrote:You don''t want to make china an age 2 civ since it would just standardise them.
Currently the only way to play china is to ff because their fort is so good and their colo fucking sucks.
I would like to see china viable in both, without being too OP. Kinda like France.
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03 Nov 2015, 14:30

ivan wrote:
chun wrote:52.5 damage vs Calvary with rof 1.5

keshik have 8*3 = 24 damage vs cavalry with rof 1.5

? balance patch? um wait or bye this game.
Lol zams have 3.0 rof
Only gunpowder light cav with 1.5 rof are RRs.
But yeah keshiks are shit.

Imho:
-Increase keshik HP by 10
-Nerf intervention to 8 musks
-Decrease steppe rider cost 5 coin.
-Nerf old han

I think . China will lose at age1 or age2 because china start age 2 avg. at5.00min. china will lose rush hard. lose cavalry+musk or full cavalry. if china can age3. china will lose at age3??
because china will lose 2 house. lose village. lose pop. lose eco. lose tc. cant age 4. I watch Boneng. he china fl. lose rush hard. I think china will lose. at age2 or age3,

sum up, china will lose at age2 age3 , cant will age4 . cant use old han reform card.
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03 Nov 2015, 14:36

garja wrote:China issues are pretty clear. Need a buff to colo cav, nerf to fortress shipemtns and a tweak on old han reforms. It''s just a matter of wanting to change those things or not.
I think . If u can age3. shipment useless for china age3? because u lose house. lose village. village can''t fram(hunt animal or mine. wood?) lose eco.

It = gg = lose? I know u better than me.

u start age2 at 4.40min and will go age3 at6.00min, u lose rush hard by cavalry+musk or full cavalry. u can age3 but lose village. lose eco. lose shipment at age3? 9 china musk or 4calvary can''t fight .
if japanese can 2 shipment at one card?

If japanese op. can fram at tc.

sum up, china will lose at age2 age3 , can''t will age4 . can''t use old han reform card.
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03 Nov 2015, 14:36

dont nerf old han. if so, nerf otto and spain revolt first.
china age 2 cav is too weak. and age 3 cav needs some nerf(training speed?).
forbidden army(age 3 cav) is interesting. iron flail is shit. meteur hammer is quite low-hp too. but when they work together they are just insane. so, maybe we can change forbidden army from 2 flail 2 hammer into 3 changdao 2 hammer?
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03 Nov 2015, 14:38

standard army
from 2 steppe rider 3 ckn to 3 rider 2 ckn

forbidden army
from 2 flail 2 hammer to 3 changdao 2 hammer

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