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03 Nov 2015, 14:44

paul wrote:dont nerf old han. if so, nerf otto and spain revolt first.
china age 2 cav is too weak. and age 3 cav needs some nerf(training speed?).
forbidden army(age 3 cav) is interesting. iron flail is shit. meteur hammer is quite low-hp too. but when they work together they are just insane. so, maybe we can change forbidden army from 2 flail 2 hammer into 3 changdao 2 hammer?
example other civ. training .Hussar. 1 hussar for 120f 80c wait full 5
but china need 480f 350c .so china can''t will training at 120f80c? fail training.

so china very slow for training units
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03 Nov 2015, 14:46

paul wrote:standard army
from 2 steppe rider 3 ckn to 3 rider 2 ckn

forbidden army
from 2 flail 2 hammer to 3 changdao 2 hammer
I think. buff china for anti cavalry and Coyote Runner. IT will work.
don''t need change forbidden army.
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03 Nov 2015, 14:50

Nobody understands you Chun.
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03 Nov 2015, 14:51

edeholland wrote:Nobody understands you Chun.
If I use thai. U will understand? ?
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03 Nov 2015, 14:52

China shouldn't lose to a rush. China cavalry army is good enough.
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03 Nov 2015, 15:04

garja wrote:China shouldn''t lose to a rush. China cavalry army is good enough.
Yes, China will lose rush. and the most people will say china op, but lose rush? What op for lose rush.

Play China 8.00 min. and lose. It happy? My Free 8.00min for lose. wow
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03 Nov 2015, 15:10

Change civ or improve.
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03 Nov 2015, 17:27

edeholland wrote:Nobody understands you Chun.
That''s hard to understand him but you can.
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03 Nov 2015, 17:29

chun wrote:
garja wrote:China shouldnt lose to a rush. China cavalry army is good enough.
Yes, China will lose rush. and the most people will say china op, but lose rush? What op for lose rush.

Play China 8.00 min. and lose. It happy? My Free 8.00min for lose. wow




Because you dont def well.
The hard things to beat are timings and ff/semi, if you loose to balanced rushes (not iro/otto), thats because you dont master china.
You also loose to russia/azzy though but still, thats only 4 mu.
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05 Nov 2015, 01:18

China should have an arsenal. or at least some improvements for the army in another construction( similar to wonder Japanese that serves as arsenal).
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05 Nov 2015, 06:21

Not at all, their army is already op enough.
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05 Nov 2015, 09:19

just delete this fucking old han reform shit card or make it cost 5k food
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05 Nov 2015, 09:36

tvtotal wrote:just delete this fucking old han reform shit card or make it cost 5k food
It''s a fine card?
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05 Nov 2015, 10:39

yea very fine, which completely destroy teamgames if china are in.

inb4 "if u let them go age 4 its ur fault"
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05 Nov 2015, 10:40

old han reforms is definitely not fine
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05 Nov 2015, 10:58

tvtotal wrote:yea very fine, which completely destroy teamgames if china are in.

inb4 "if u let them go age 4 its ur fault"
Still think Otto/Iro/India/Sioux/German/Dutch/Ports/Japs are worse to play against?
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05 Nov 2015, 11:26

none of those are worse to play against except jap and otto
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05 Nov 2015, 11:52

tvtotal wrote:just delete this fucking old han reform shit card or make it cost 5k food
lol, u can win china at age1 age2 age3 .
If they don''t change age2.
u can win.
and china will lose at age1 age2 age3.
age4 for china useless. china can''t use old han reform.
and old han reform use wood.
and china have 1 pop but low xp? example pike 6xp ckn 8 xp
so late game i use units 1pop have 6xp vs 1 pop 12xp ? lol u lol lol
late game = china = uninstall.

I think nerf japanese for general aura shipment trainer units? nerf atk wonder?? yumi can kill(counter) cavalry wow.
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05 Nov 2015, 17:07

Old han is okay since it needs:
An Ageup to Industrial.
1000f.
And it makes you units cost 50% more.

You are mostly stucked in your base and can't leave it without old han, you have no real counter to falconets and heavy cannons.
The real problem are the flying crows - if you don't have 3 culvs.
A musk-HC-culv combo does surpsingly well against these blackstars, goodspeeds and bramboy fuckers.
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05 Nov 2015, 18:56

otto revolt>>>old han reform
"revolt" is a joke. 8 civs can revolt, but only otto lame fi revolt. spain a few times. what about other 6 civ? is it fair?
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05 Nov 2015, 19:59

paul wrote:otto revolt>'>'>'old han reform
"revolt" is a joke. 8 civs can revolt, but only otto lame fi revolt. spain a few times. what about other 6 civ? is it fair?
Revolt is not that hard to counter. (on land at least).
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06 Nov 2015, 03:14

yemshi wrote:Old han is okay since it needs:
An Ageup to Industrial.
1000f.
And it makes you units cost 50% more.

You are mostly stucked in your base and can''t leave it without old han, you have no real counter to falconets and heavy cannons.
The real problem are the flying crows - if you don''t have 3 culvs.
A musk-HC-culv combo does surpsingly well against these blackstars, goodspeeds and bramboy fuckers.
What about hand mortars and meteor hammers.

Even if it''s hard to get onto age 4, costs 1000 food - old han is just too OP... Hell, China is banned in treaty because of old han lol. How about this: old han costs no food, and improves old han 75% as opposed to 100%?
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06 Nov 2015, 06:12

ivan wrote:
yemshi wrote:Old han is okay since it needs:
An Ageup to Industrial.
1000f.
And it makes you units cost 50% more.

You are mostly stucked in your base and cant leave it without old han, you have no real counter to falconets and heavy cannons.
The real problem are the flying crows - if you dont have 3 culvs.
A musk-HC-culv combo does surpsingly well against these blackstars, goodspeeds and bramboy fuckers.
What about hand mortars and meteor hammers.

Even if its hard to get onto age 4, costs 1000 food - old han is just too OP... Hell, China is banned in treaty because of old han lol. How about this: old han costs no food, and improves old han 75% as opposed to 100%?
Were balancing sup not treaty.
Your change would balance china in treaty but old han would be even better in sup.
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06 Nov 2015, 06:44

diarouga wrote:
ivan wrote:What about hand mortars and meteor hammers.

Even if its hard to get onto age 4, costs 1000 food - old han is just too OP... Hell, China is banned in treaty because of old han lol. How about this: old han costs no food, and improves old han 75% as opposed to 100%?
Were balancing sup not treaty.
...have you ever played a team game?
You get to play "treaty" whenever a sup game reaches late game.


Your change would balance china in treaty but old han would be even better in sup.

idk, I dont see how taking away 1000 food shipment cost for 25% atk and 25% hp less could make a chinese FI super OP.
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06 Nov 2015, 06:44

I'm talking about 1v1 and I think that it would be a buff.
Team games are a bit closer to treaty tho.

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