VooDoo_BoSs wrote:Garja wrote:Mitoe wrote:Pretty sure China, Japan (<- not sure about this one, maybe Kaiser is just bad ), and maybe Iro, can beat Otto on high TP maps as well, but most Euro civs will struggle pretty hard in this situation vs Otto, yeah.
Pretty sure most euro civ can totally beat otto even on heavy TP maps. On EP they could even beat RE otto.
I'm not sure if this is true at all. There are many civs which really struggle vs Otto - mainly Brit / Dutch / Port. The only euro civ which IMO can consistently beat otto is maybe Germany or Spain.
How does Otto beat Russia?
If you go age2, you just die. Early abus can't compete against 9 costs and strel, later you can't get a big mass because Russia overwhelms you before. If you go Jan huss, Russia goes musks and camps at the blockhouse and still wins.
If you FF, you get belled a lot. You can only get out like 13 Jans (8 from shipment). Those can't protect the 2 falcs, even if he has to sac all of his coss. Mams are nice, but won't be out fast and still lose to mass musk coss.