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31 Jul 2019, 20:14

Am I the only one who thinks otto should be nerfed to the ground on the next patch version? They are ridiculously easy to play, the mosque techs and abus buff (4,5 ROF isn't really a nerf when you can kite with your insane range and shooting animation) were imo very unnecessary and otto seems to be super hard to beat on almost every single matchup.

I suggest taking abus range away, for starters, then seeing where otto stands.
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31 Jul 2019, 20:15

Yea, I hope abus range will be moved to industrial.
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31 Jul 2019, 21:23

otto ranked 8 in the most recent balance poll and we want to nerf it into the ground?
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31 Jul 2019, 21:27

I think abus vs cannons and boats is just unfair and sort of eliminates their only weakness when massed with jans that's my only qualm.
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31 Jul 2019, 21:30

abus are impossible to mass anyway unless you have control of the trade line
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31 Jul 2019, 21:34

Cometk wrote:abus are impossible to mass anyway unless you have control of the trade line

Yes but taking control of the to line is easier for Otto to do than other civs, TPS being so strong is the problem overall imo.
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31 Jul 2019, 21:42

Cometk wrote:otto ranked 8 in the most recent balance poll and we want to nerf it into the ground?

my bad, it's just all the people who got bottoed who are complainning now :ohmy:
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31 Jul 2019, 21:44

Cometk wrote:abus are impossible to mass anyway unless you have control of the trade line

just no
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31 Jul 2019, 21:52

tedere12 wrote:
Cometk wrote:abus are impossible to mass anyway unless you have control of the trade line

just no

try massing abus vs dutch in age 3 lol. yeah, the extra range is really gonna help you there
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31 Jul 2019, 22:06

tedere12 wrote:Am I the only one who thinks otto should be nerfed to the ground on the next patch version? They are ridiculously easy to play, the mosque techs and abus buff (4,5 ROF isn't really a nerf when you can kite with your insane range and shooting animation) were imo very unnecessary and otto seems to be super hard to beat on almost every single matchup.

I suggest taking abus range away, for starters, then seeing where otto stands.
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31 Jul 2019, 22:17

where are these age 3 abus-based strats that are just tearing up the ladder/tournies? i must really be missing something here
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31 Jul 2019, 22:18

Cometk wrote:where are these age 3 abus-based strats that are just tearing up the ladder/tournies? i must really be missing something here

rouga vs Soldier NE, bwinner vs rouga baja.
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31 Jul 2019, 22:38

put otto to produce vills manually, decrease production time by 5%, and then we will have a little more mechanics for this civ, with a simple change
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31 Jul 2019, 22:55

Cometk wrote:where are these age 3 abus-based strats that are just tearing up the ladder/tournies? i must really be missing something here
Clearly, you haven't been watching bwinneur.
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01 Aug 2019, 00:15

The thing is that veteran abus never comes early. You don't use it when you FF and you don't use it when you go for colonial jan-abus. Most of the time you get veteran abus, your opponent is obviously making goon heavy comp and abus don't even do too great versus them. 20 range is fine.
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zoom wrote:
Cometk wrote:where are these age 3 abus-based strats that are just tearing up the ladder/tournies? i must really be missing something here
Clearly, you haven't been watching bwinneur.

well indeed I am the only one using it sometimes and I am 100% sure that the games I win with it are either cuz they are over already befor I make abus or because the opponent misses his window when I do the switch.
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01 Aug 2019, 02:21

20 range for abus is more of a design flaw than really a balance issue. Still it is a latent balance issue.
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01 Aug 2019, 03:09

Garja wrote:20 range for abus is more of a design flaw than really a balance issue. Still it is a latent balance issue.


Perhaps, but at close range they lose to most high-damage units unless you have a clear numerical parity or superiority (even sepoy / musk etc.)

Given otto's poor eco, otto units will almost always be outnumbered and they need to remain OP else otto will very quickly go to being a bottom civ.
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01 Aug 2019, 04:20

VooDoo_BoSs wrote:
Garja wrote:20 range for abus is more of a design flaw than really a balance issue. Still it is a latent balance issue.


Perhaps, but at close range they lose to most high-damage units unless you have a clear numerical parity or superiority (even sepoy / musk etc.)

Given otto's poor eco, otto units will almost always be outnumbered and they need to remain OP else otto will very quickly go to being a bottom civ.


^^this

In a lategame situation, otto literally is completely incapable of dealing with say, 150 ruyters, 91 eagle runners, and going trade poorly vs 50 russian cav archers. 20 range seems an appropriate measure to help out a little. To be completely blunt, grens do better vs 150 ruyters than abus do. This is a balance issue in many respects for the civ and doesnt have an easy answer as to how it should be balanced.
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01 Aug 2019, 06:58

Whay shouldn't Otto have a bad late game? They are really fast in the early game. Also the idea was just to move it to age 4.
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02 Aug 2019, 04:48

juhjuh wrote:Whay shouldn't Otto have a bad late game? They are really fast in the early game. Also the idea was just to move it to age 4.


Moving it to age 4 is essentially the same and removing it because 99% of games never reach age 4.
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02 Aug 2019, 08:22

We were speaking about late game lol
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16 Aug 2019, 09:43

Spahi rr to 30% is a bit too much, 20% is fine.
Jan combat is okay at 20% , given the fact that Jan hp has been nerfed too much and they are already not good against cav as other musk type units.
No need to buff GB up.
Please address the advanced church card Jans after they have been nerfed. It need a buff in cost or unit numbers or unit tech.
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16 Aug 2019, 10:26

Otto is stupidly overated
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16 Aug 2019, 11:03

Hazza54321 wrote:Otto is stupidly overated


Agree but why?
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