Ottomans Discussion Thread

[aqwer]

Don't see why you so desperately want to add more spahis. Otto has royal guard hussars.

Disregarding the above, imo it would make more sense for auto train spahis similar to bombards. For example add a fortress tech in mosque that costs 500/500/500 which turns mosque into a factory for spahi.

Otto Huss suck. And spahi are just barely useable with few shipments. I think making spahi trainable in stable will add a nice dynamic to the game.

[harcha]

Maybe a shipment similar to spanish gold - every next shipment comes with a complementary spahi. IMO this would make more sense than training spahi. You might as well train rockets as brit because it would be a nice dynamic... and there is a precedent too - the campaign.

That or a card that lets you train them in saloon. The problem is that the trained spahi should have an additional counter like spies/ninjas counter regular mercs, otherwise they are just too stronk

[aqwer]

Maybe a shipment similar to spanish gold - every next shipment comes with a complementary spahi. IMO this would make more sense than training spahi. You might as well train rockets as brit because it would be a nice dynamic... and there is a precedent too - the campaign.

That or a card that lets you train them in saloon. The problem is that the trained spahi should have an additional counter like spies/ninjas counter regular mercs, otherwise they are just too stronk

That is a nice idea, it should give you 2 spahi and 2 spahi with every shipment after that

[harcha]

Maybe a shipment similar to spanish gold - every next shipment comes with a complementary spahi. IMO this would make more sense than training spahi. You might as well train rockets as brit because it would be a nice dynamic... and there is a precedent too - the campaign.

That or a card that lets you train them in saloon. The problem is that the trained spahi should have an additional counter like spies/ninjas counter regular mercs, otherwise they are just too stronk

That is a nice idea, it should give you 2 spahi and 2 spahi with every shipment after that

lolno

[aqwer]

Maybe a shipment similar to spanish gold - every next shipment comes with a complementary spahi. IMO this would make more sense than training spahi. You might as well train rockets as brit because it would be a nice dynamic... and there is a precedent too - the campaign.

That or a card that lets you train them in saloon. The problem is that the trained spahi should have an additional counter like spies/ninjas counter regular mercs, otherwise they are just too stronk

That is a nice idea, it should give you 2 spahi and 2 spahi with every shipment after that

lolno

[Kaiserklein]

Just stop

[Riotcoke]

This is just clogging the thread with tripe at this point.

[deleted_user0]

Kebab seems decent. The only change I'd be willing to make is nerf abus slighly vs inf (and/or) art and buff slightly vs ranged cav. This should be done the way that their overall strength remains quite the same.

[aqwer]

@Kaiserklein if you can't add anything constructive to the discussion then please don't discourage others.

[Kaiserklein]

@Kaiserklein if you can't add anything constructive to the discussion then please don't discourage others.

I'm asking you to stop so that people can actually have a constructive and useful discussion, instead of the nonsense you're spewing.

[duckzilla]

@Kaiserklein if you can't add anything constructive to the discussion then please don't discourage others.

You are not always constructive as well, as your following statement shows

Otto Huss suck. And spahi are just barely useable with few shipments.

Both of these statements are just unjustified opinions. If this is the level you want to discuss the issue on, then Kaiserklein is totally correct in asking you to just stop the useless discussion.

[aqwer]

@Kaiserklein if you can't add anything constructive to the discussion then please don't discourage others.

You are not always constructive as well, as your following statement shows

Otto Huss suck. And spahi are just barely useable with few shipments.

Both of these statements are just unjustified opinions. If this is the level you want to discuss the issue on, then Kaiserklein is totally correct in asking you to just stop the useless discussion.

Otto Huss though RG but they are inferior to french ones so what's the point.
And yes I have only saw 5 spahi shipment and rarely 3 age up or 6 spahi. And mostly they just focused down quickly.

[duckzilla]

They are only inferior to French ones if 1. the player invested two more shipments into cav upgrades than you and 2. if the French player actually builds hussars.
However, Ottoman hussars are still better than Portuguese or Dutch hussars in any case. So: no, they do not suck.

Your statement of "spahi are just barely usable with few shipments" implies either that the unit is bad and only gets better after cav combat is sent or that the unit is bad and additionally there are not many unit shipments for it. However, the unit is not bad. It is the strongest single unit in the game, which is exactly why it gets focussed down.

[Kaiserklein]

Huss just never suck lol. It's a strong unit and cav combat is a great upgrade that will be enough in most games, unless it goes late game, in which case you have the royal guard upgrade so it's fine for otto anyway. The only thing would be that you'd maybe like to have cav hp/attack for extended colonial play, but that has really nothing to do with spahis anyway.

3 spahis age up is the best age up you can use in most games, because they're auto upped to guard spahis which are almost as good as imperial cuirs (same hp, less damage, 1 more area). Like 3 guard spahis probably clean up 15 vet musks or something. Sometimes you age with the coin or the huss if you wanna revolt though.
For the same reason, 6 spahis is strong. It's just that 1) you don't go industrial very often anyway 2) if you do you also need great bombars and factories, so you usually don't have 6 spahis in deck.
5 spahis is good too in some situations. Essentially they're not very good vs skirm goon, but strong vs unit compositions with HI.

[Garja]

Spahi is basically the best cav in the game except for the rr% which prevents them to be OP af. In fact the same thing should be done for urumi too.

[aqwer]

Spahi is basically the best cav in the game except for the rr% which prevents them to be OP af. In fact the same thing should be done for urumi too.

Best Cav but can't use them much

[edeholland]

Spahi is basically the best cav in the game except for the rr% which prevents them to be OP af. In fact the same thing should be done for urumi too.

Best Cav but can't use them much

Isn't that how it's supposed to be?

[aqwer]

Spahi is basically the best cav in the game except for the rr% which prevents them to be OP af. In fact the same thing should be done for urumi too.

Best Cav but can't use them much

Isn't that how it's supposed to be?

And we are doing things as they are supposed to be...
Ahm ahm karni mata teepees

[edeholland]

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Spahi is basically the best cav in the game except for the rr% which prevents them to be OP af. In fact the same thing should be done for urumi too.

Best Cav but can't use them much

Isn't that how it's supposed to be?

And we are doing things as they are supposed to be...
Ahm ahm karni mata teepees

I mean how things are supposed to be balanced in general. A unit that is very powerful should be more rare. I don't see why it's troubling that Ottoman have (one of the) best cav units but can't use them every game.

[aqwer]

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Spahi is basically the best cav in the game except for the rr% which prevents them to be OP af. In fact the same thing should be done for urumi too.

Best Cav but can't use them much

Isn't that how it's supposed to be?

And we are doing things as they are supposed to be...
Ahm ahm karni mata teepees

I mean how things are supposed to be balanced in general. A unit that is very powerful should be more rare. I don't see why it's troubling that Ottoman have (one of the) best cav units but can't use them every game.

Then what about urumi, they is infinite shipment for them.

[dansil92]

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Spahi is basically the best cav in the game except for the rr% which prevents them to be OP af. In fact the same thing should be done for urumi too.

Best Cav but can't use them much

Isn't that how it's supposed to be?

And we are doing things as they are supposed to be...
Ahm ahm karni mata teepees

I mean how things are supposed to be balanced in general. A unit that is very powerful should be more rare. I don't see why it's troubling that Ottoman have (one of the) best cav units but can't use them every game.

Then what about urumi, they is infinite shipment for them.

India doesnt get artilery and has no real answer to massed infantry without urumi. Otto has decent hussars and mamelukes, spahi are a shock trooper not a necessity

[Garja]

The answer to mass infantry is its own infantry. Also India cav is specifically good vs infantry.

[aqwer]

Show hidden quotes

Spahi is basically the best cav in the game except for the rr% which prevents them to be OP af. In fact the same thing should be done for urumi too.

Best Cav but can't use them much

Isn't that how it's supposed to be?

And we are doing things as they are supposed to be...
Ahm ahm karni mata teepees

I mean how things are supposed to be balanced in general. A unit that is very powerful should be more rare. I don't see why it's troubling that Ottoman have (one of the) best cav units but can't use them every game.

Then what about urumi, they is infinite shipment for them.

India doesnt get artilery and has no real answer to massed infantry without urumi. Otto has decent hussars and mamelukes, spahi are a shock trooper not a necessity

Otto doesn't has mamelukes , it has a shipment of 4 Mam's.
And by the same reasoning India has jat lancers.
India is just a broken civ, age 2 skirm goon,
lancer type fast Cav, areaa damage high up Cav, very high att/hp ranged Cav, culverin and mortar in one unit, xp generation mechanism, free vil with each shipment, broken musk type unit, and cherry on top is urumi.

Urumi is way better than spahi for what they do. Just bcz tad developer didn't care for balancing vanilla.
Same logic for flying crow cycle freeze on no pop but factory Canon doesn't. Fuck this duplicity.
Few EP team members know these things but doesn't have balls to implement.

[kevinitalien]

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Spahi is basically the best cav in the game except for the rr% which prevents them to be OP af. In fact the same thing should be done for urumi too.

Best Cav but can't use them much

Isn't that how it's supposed to be?

And we are doing things as they are supposed to be...
Ahm ahm karni mata teepees

I mean how things are supposed to be balanced in general. A unit that is very powerful should be more rare. I don't see why it's troubling that Ottoman have (one of the) best cav units but can't use them every game.

Then what about urumi, they is infinite shipment for them.

India doesnt get artilery and has no real answer to massed infantry without urumi. Otto has decent hussars and mamelukes, spahi are a shock trooper not a necessity

Otto doesn't has mamelukes , it has a shipment of 4 Mam's.
And by the same reasoning India has jat lancers.
India is just a broken civ, age 2 skirm goon,
lancer type fast Cav, areaa damage high up Cav, very high att/hp ranged Cav, culverin and mortar in one unit, xp generation mechanism, free vil with each shipment, broken musk type unit, and cherry on top is urumi.

Urumi is way better than spahi for what they do. Just bcz tad developer didn't care for balancing vanilla.
Same logic for flying crow cycle freeze on no pop but factory Canon doesn't. Fuck this duplicity.
Few EP team members know these things but doesn't have balls to implement.

why do you compare ottos with india, the otto are not infinite spahis but are not weak as far as india is concerned, does not make sense there

[chronique]

Same logic for flying crow cycle freeze on no pop but factory Canon doesn't. Fuck this duplicity.

I'am not agree with your post but that is true, it's a little shame.