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gamevideo113 wrote:
Shikari wrote:Am i the only one who want auto upgraded vet rods.

That could be an idea for a non-shit spanish politician

you think that'd be better than 800 res worth 4 hussar ?
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zoom wrote:
Goodspeed wrote:Asians can get it through consulate, maybe not all of them though. Japan has its own arsenal in the golden pavilion. Native civs are an issue, maybe upgrades can be added to the WH / native stable
Literally only Japanese, and literally only Aztecs, respectively.
Oh. Lol. Add whatever consulate gets the arsenal to the other asian civs then? :unsure:
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zoom wrote:Well, I don't disagree, entirely, with you. Regardless, it's important to acknowledge everyone's opinion, whether you agree with it or not.

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Goodspeed wrote:
zoom wrote:
Goodspeed wrote:Asians can get it through consulate, maybe not all of them though. Japan has its own arsenal in the golden pavilion. Native civs are an issue, maybe upgrades can be added to the WH / native stable
Literally only Japanese, and literally only Aztecs, respectively.
Oh. Lol. Add whatever consulate gets the arsenal to the other asian civs then? :unsure:


Just make all the consulate allies available to all Asian civs. Somppu is always complaining about India having no cannons and no cav, let's give them a factory for heavies :kinggreen:
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Sargsyan wrote:
gamevideo113 wrote:
Shikari wrote:Am i the only one who want auto upgraded vet rods.

That could be an idea for a non-shit spanish politician

you think that'd be better than 800 res worth 4 hussar ?

Not on a naked ff but most of the other times yeah. Maybe 2 rods and veteran rods would be more appropriate anyway
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you think that'd be better than 800 res worth 4 hussar ?

Not on a naked ff but most of the other times yeah. Maybe 2 rods and veteran rods would be more appropriate anyway

No, 4 huss is just better than a 200w/200c upgrade.
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[Armag] diarouga wrote:
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Not on a naked ff but most of the other times yeah. Maybe 2 rods and veteran rods would be more appropriate anyway

No, 4 huss is just better than a 200w/200c upgrade.

To upgrade rods you have to idle your rax which is for a long time your only production facility plus rods shipement just get better cause now you can use fortress age shipments instead of colonial age one but i agree not a age up politician but just a normal buff like dutch skirms. To me it sounds fairs and not game breaking tbh.
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[Armag] diarouga wrote:
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No, 4 huss is just better than a 200w/200c upgrade.

To upgrade rods you have to idle your rax which is for a long time your only production facility plus rods shipement just get better cause now you can use fortress age shipments instead of colonial age one but i agree not a age up politician but just a normal buff like dutch skirms. To me it sounds fairs and not game breaking tbh.

If you care about iddling your rax, just build a second rax and get that 200w/200c upgrade, it would still be less expensive than training hussars.
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The reason why Spanish gold is not sent too often is that it slows you down a lot. In lot of mus you need units to defend or to reclaim some map control after ff. Spanish gold doesn't help much in that regard except vs a passive opponent. ( You have to collect crates and spend it =more time) .
I want to suggest to remove Spanish gold and give them 100coin x age# with every shipment. It will help them a bit but not too op. It can be tested.
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[Armag] diarouga wrote:
gamevideo113 wrote:
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Not on a naked ff but most of the other times yeah. Maybe 2 rods and veteran rods would be more appropriate anyway

No, 4 huss is just better than a 200w/200c upgrade.

I'd go for rod upgrade alone over 4 huss every day.
But anyway don't waste time on fancy changes.
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aqwer wrote:The reason why Spanish gold is not sent too often is that it slows you down a lot. In lot of mus you need units to defend or to reclaim some map control after ff. Spanish gold doesn't help much in that regard except vs a passive opponent. ( You have to collect crates and spend it =more time) .
I want to suggest to remove Spanish gold and give them 100coin x age# with every shipment. It will help them a bit but not too op. It can be tested.

You'd be giving the civ with the quickest shipment curve the best shipments, how does that make any sense?
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It's not that strong and kinda needed.
Maybe we need inspiration from eco/hp/att boost teepee (being built by inf and vils by default) , bcz that makes perfect sense. And walls are added in too

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What if spain had an extra wood crate added to their starting crates? Would that perhaps be the buff they need?
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dansil92 wrote:What if spain had an extra wood crate added to their starting crates? Would that perhaps be the buff they need?

Would be way too much.
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Could just make rods shadow tech to Veteran.

To be honest though Iā€™m not even sure Spain is truly that bad. I remember thinking they were very very good when H2O was active and playing them all the time.
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Mitoe wrote:Could just make rods shadow tech to Veteran.

To be honest though Iā€™m not even sure Spain is truly that bad. I remember thinking they were very very good when H2O was active and playing them all the time.
As Spain's early fortress is quite micro-dependent, the civ could only be good in Ryan's hands. I don't think it's the case for most pr30+ players.
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Djigit wrote:
Mitoe wrote:Could just make rods shadow tech to Veteran.

To be honest though Iā€™m not even sure Spain is truly that bad. I remember thinking they were very very good when H2O was active and playing them all the time.
As Spain's early fortress is quite micro-dependent, the civ could only be good in Ryan's hands. I don't think it's the case for most pr30+ players.

This. IMO, Spain is all about micro -- if you have a good BO, you can do decent in many (although not all) matchups with good micro. However, if your micro is just average/even if it's decent, but not top, chances are your 2 falcs will be lost without much payoff and then Spain often just loses.

Almost every other civ can play to their other strengths (good eco/cheese/strong units/map control/mass) and do fine with decent micro (that goes for all booming civs, but also for the classic musk heavy civs like India and also for Russia).

Obviously all civs benefit from good micro, but I feel for Spain it's especially important. A bit similar to Otto in a way - if you have good abus and 2 falc micro, Otto can be quite strong. If you don't micro your abus well and/or lose your 2 falcs easily, you just lose.
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No need to shadow tech and no need to add crates (crates can't really be touched). Just try to increase the xp bonus a bit and see how it goes. Spain is probably not bad ye.
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Having to really outmicro/outplay with a civ, makes it weaker than the others? Increasing xp bonus sounds good.
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Yea the civ is a bit more difficult to play than massing sepoy and click a button.
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from my recent experience the civ seems to be decent and quite fun to play with. Ill plan on playing them more to give a more detailed feedback.
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Garja wrote:No need to shadow tech and no need to add crates (crates can't really be touched). Just try to increase the xp bonus a bit and see how it goes. Spain is probably not bad ye.


ye, return the xp needed for each shipment back to nilla values, and it's good. spain is fine.
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I like the beta change for lancers, it may make them more viable in the end
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Does the 2 range mean that musks don't automatically get in melee mode when lancers are attacking them?
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